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  • Renaissance: A revival or renewed interest in something; a cultural rebirth.
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  • Nostalgic: A sentimental or wistful longing for the past, typically for a period or place with happy personal associations.
  • Apprenticeship: A period of training in a skill or trade, usually under the guidance of an experienced mentor.
  • Aesthetics: The branch of philosophy that deals with the nature, beauty, and appreciation of art, beauty, and taste.
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  • Boxy: Having a square or rectangular shape; lacking curves or smooth lines.
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Hello, it’s me, Emma. And right now I’m on a holiday break. I’m taking a few weeks off to spend time with family, rest my brain, and sleep as much as possible. But in the meantime, I’m rerunning some of my favorite episodes from this year, just in case you haven’t heard them yet or just in case you want to hear them again. So I hope you enjoy this episode rerun in, and I’ll be back with new episodes on January 11, 2024. Happy holidays. I love you. I appreciate you, and I’ll talk to you soon, okay? Enjoy the episode. Today I’m going to be interviewing one of my favorite, if not my favorite, designers. She is the founder designer of her brand, Bodhi. Maybe by definition, Bodie is a menswear brand, but Bodie is very much more than that. Bodie is a luxury brand with this sort of casual, vintage, eclectic edge. Her brand is truly the epitome of vintage inspired clothing. Like she fucking nails it. Bodhi makes it feel like you plucked it out of a store in the. You know, the brand really is helping to preserve the magical, beautiful craftsmanship of the past that’s kind of slowly dwindling out of our day to day life, and Bodhi is really one of one. I present to you Emily Adams. Bodhi Asla, the creator of one of my favorite brands, Bodhi. This episode of anything goes is presented by the Sims. Ready to spark something? Download the sims four and play for free. This episode is brought to you by Squarespace. With Squarespace, you can do much more than build a website. You can set up your own online store. It doesn’t matter what you sell. Physical goods, digital products, services. Squarespace has everything you need to start selling online. You can even sell custom merch. Just design it. Production, inventory, and shipping are all handled for you. And with Squarespace’s asset library, you can upload, organize, and access your content all in one place. To get started, head to squarespace.com slash Emma for a free trial. And when you’re ready to launch, use the offer code Emma to save 10% off your first purchase of a website or domain. This episode is brought to you by Netflix’s new competition series, the trust. It’s the ultimate test of human nature, when eleven strangers are offered a quarter million dollars and a choice to share the money equally or vote each other out to take more for themselves. What would you choose? Find out if greed is greater than good. The trust, a game of greed, is now streaming only on Netflix. Okay, I first found Bodhi at. It was a vogue event, 2019 Paris fashion week that you were at? Yeah. And it was a cocktail event, but then there was like, sort of like a shop. I don’t know if it was like a shoppable area, but it was like, kind of like a showcase of everything. And I found, you’ll know, this shirt, it was like all of the little foods, and it was like a button up. Oh. With the calorie count. With the calorie counts on it. So good. I remember I saw it and I was like, I’ve never seen anything like this looks vintage. And it was like this whole mind expanding moment for me. Okay, so that print is a reproduction, which you can find that print as, like, hand painted or on kitchen kind of decor. So you see it on tea towels or aprons or. The one that I reproduced was on a handkerchief. And to me, it was just, like, so hilarious because it’s so good. How many calories are in, like, coffee and carrots and really bizarre foods, but it’s colorful and it’s in a cotton boil, so it’s, like, super thin. And people kind of went crazy for it because Harry wore it for something. Yep, I remember this because I bought the. Okay, listen, so I bought the shirt pre Harry. Okay, everybody, listen up. Pre Harry. I bought the fucking shirt because I saw it at that event, and then, like, two weeks later, I saw it at opening ceremony. I was like, oh, yeah, they’re gone. I’m so depressed. But that was a good shirt. Amazing. Yeah. Was it like, I mean, obviously when somebody like Harry Styles wears a piece of your clothing, I think part of you is probably like, fuck, yeah, that’s awesome. But then also part of you is probably like, oh, shit. Because a moment like that where somebody who has so much influence, like Harry Styles wearing something, it’s going to skyrocket things in a way. Was that. Well, we’re quite scary. Yeah. I mean, we’re quite intentional with our runs. So I don’t know about back then, but today it’s like, that’s one of 50 or one of 200 or one of two or one of one. He’s just such an incredible renaissance man that anything he wears, I love when he wears our clothes, and I truly value our relationship. And so that’s really inspiring to me, especially him. I’m really curious about you as a young person. Do you feel like the love for clothes came first or the love for crafts came first? I think I would have to say crafts, because as a kid, I was definitely a fashion obsessed kid. I used to do Runway shows for my uncle and aunt. I have videos of that, like visiting him in the south of France, shredding down a dream. That was definitely a part of my childhood, for sure. But I think the first understanding of aesthetics, or just building your world in general, came through craft. And I really think largely through dolls and probably through doll furniture and making little things for that world. So I think that’s where it came from for me. When do you think your point of view, your strong point of view, really started to blossom when it comes to aesthetic things and creative things. And even I’ve heard you discuss in videos and things about how you love collecting things and you’re such a collector and you do have such a distinct vision that is so consistent. And I’m curious when that sort of became solid. When was that really solidified? Was it when you were super young, like twelve? Or is it even more recent? I mean, I do think I had a very distinct vision of the worlds I wanted to live in, the kind of the imaginative environments from when I was a really little kid, I found a notebook that I think I must have been like five or something, maybe a little older. But I was trying to explain that this dress came with this colored sash and this colored dress came with this color, and I would have these little drawings. So I was always interested in that idea of making things, but also of selling things and having objects and a vision available for other people. Well, it’s interesting because a lot of people, I feel like, just sort of discover their sort of calling later and they never saw it coming. I mean, right? You saw it coming. I think you knew this was just destined from day one. That’s really special. What was like your go to outfit as a kid? I’ve always loved vintage. My mom saved all of her vintage, so it’s not that necessarily. My mom’s clothes, of course, from when she was a kid, are vintage now, but she also was buying vintage with her sisters. So I have things that they had thrifted and bought at flea markets and things that they had saved, and I love that they had saved those things that I can now cherish and wear. And I’ve worn them throughout phases of middle school and then in high school I wore it. And then now the t shirt is no longer huge on me, but I have huge. I love that. Moving on to a little later in your life, college. So you went to Parsons, which is. It’s a design school, correct? I personally Personally, I didn’t go to college, so I’m always so curious about the impact that college has on especially creative people. Because did going to college help you become more creative by giving you sort of the technical tools to really create whatever you want? Or do you feel like in some ways, it might have actually kind of put you in a box in a way and made you feel? Because I think at school, you’re obviously taught a curriculum, right, that can sometimes kind of make you feel confined in a way. What was your personal experience with going to an art school? Well, for me, because I come from a place where I personally love institutional learning, I thrive in those environments, whereas it’s definitely not for everybody. Interesting. I think that especially when I talk to young people who are deciding their trajectory or what they want to do, I often believe in an older model that is not really around so much anymore, which is like the apprenticeship model. If you know for sure that you want to go into this thing and you don’t necessarily thrive in a more institutional, educational environment, then you should apprentice or know somewhere that you see fit. But for me, Parsons, I did the dual degree program. So I did a bachelor’s degree in philosophy and a Bachelor of fine arts in fashion. And when you enter into the program, at least for the fine arts degree, you have a set of, I guess it’s foundational learning. So, like you mentioned, it’s like providing you the skills to then make decisions. So it’s like foundational skills of color theory and basic woodworking, things like that. Do you find moments when maybe you’re working on a project and you end up going a direction that’s the complete opposite of what you learned in school? Of course, in art school, one really valuable thing I feel like I learned, which what you said reminds me of that is you have to learn to be able to throw something away, because as somebody who is making stuff from such a young age, everything was so precious that you’d make and then if it broke. And obviously, I come from a world in which I love preservation and saving things, so if something got destroyed, it would really affect me or lost. Yes. Whereas that’s one of the first things that you learn at art school, is like, they’ll do this kind of little exercise where you draw something for, like, 3 hours, and then you have to erase it. You don’t know that you’re going to do that. So I remember the first time that happened in one of my drawing classes. I was like, no, I understand what you’re trying to teach me. But do I really have to do. But, you know, those kinds of exercises then help you for even I think of that one often at Bodhi, where we do an embroidery layout, and you’re like, oh, my gosh. Or it’s finished and someone did it by hand, or they laid out all the buttons for something, and you’re like, oh, you have to unpick all of that. But you’re going to make it better. Totally. It’s the same idea of painting over a painting. Yes, it’s heart wrenching, but 100%. This episode is brought to you by Squarespace. With squarespace, you can do much more than build a website. You can set up your own online store. 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I think I just knew that this was, like, the industry I wanted to work in. But by the time I was in college, I really felt, like, more challenged designing for someone outside of myself. I had a professor that tasked us with doing a menswear project. He truly was the first one to be like, you’re actually really good at this. It’s come so naturally to you. Maybe this should be your track. And it made sense. Once it had kind of come to fruition, it definitely made sense. I loved dressing my high school boyfriends and making clothes for everybody that wasn’t necessarily me, because to make something for myself felt really simple, and I was definitely more interested in making for the other, whether it was, like, a specific character or a guy. Personally, I love masculine clothing silhouettes. I prefer them most of the time. I like the boxier fit. I like sort of like, maybe even the oversized whatever. Personally, are you more drawn to masculine or feminine silhouetes or kind of just both in whatever you like? I was intrigued by doing workwear silhouettes, traditionally men’s workwear silhouettes, because I wanted something that felt, like, extremely timeless. I mean, the whole launch of bodhi, or why I started it, was to create a line of clothing that you could technically or essentially take a picture of somebody and not know what time period they were from. Whereas it’s definitely a lot harder to do that with women’s silhouettes. And that was interesting to me, that with menswear, you could really hone in on this idea of, like, a timeless silhouette or a timeless narrative and then have clothes that would last forever or that people would want to wear forever. I’m curious, though, what you think. What makes something timeless? It’s different for everybody. For me, it starts from the material we use, like, natural materials, whether it’s cotton, linen, or wool. And a lot of times, those are traceable. There’s definitely a sustainability component to it. But, you know, when something is made of a certain material or has a certain finish to it, like what era it’s from or when it could have begun to be from, that doesn’t mean that we don’t use something like viscose or rayons. We definitely have that in our collections. But I’d say the foundation of our brand is natural materials. And that’s why doing certain projects with certain suppliers and supply chains have been so important to us, because, after all, we are aiming at the preservation of craft but also prolonging the life cycle of our clothes. And I think that’s easier to do and to wrap your head around when you’re dealing with natural materials. Are you ever sort of like, I want to do something futuristic? Do you ever have, like, a moment where you’re like, wait a minute, no, I want to do something. Does that ever cross your mind? Or are you because I’m similar to you, where I love vintage, I love all things sort of nostalgic and all things that have history. That’s personally what I’m attracted to too. But then every once in a while, I’ll have a weird fit where I want to dress. I’m in Mad Max or something and I don’t know why and I want to look like I’m an alien or something. So I’m curious if you ever have that sort of this creative outburst where you’re like, hold on, I want to break this whole mold, or do you feel like you’re You’re in this world and you’re so happy in this world that you’re never, like, restless. I don’t think I really venture outside of. No, but that’s good. It’s hard to tell because I feel like when I talk to my husband about this, sometimes he’s like, I love it. I never saw that coming in the collection. I love the way you make things. But I think the key is that, especially with having a brand, you’re put in a box, not by yourself. It’s by the perception of the people that are the consumer. So it’s really interesting that they might say, like, oh, that’s so Bodhi. But then the trousers you’re wearing are a plain cashmere polo. Is that Bodhi still, how do we get people to feel that all of these different worlds fall into the Bodhi world and you can do it as a brand? I don’t think you’re beholden to a specific kind of vision. Do you ever feel pressure from the fans of your brand to sort of create in a certain way? Do you experience that? Or do you feel like you just. No, of course. So you have to remember anybody who makes things, and we tell ourselves this all the time because we get comments not just from customers, but from stores and buyers, press. And if they knew what was best for your brand, then it just doesn’t logically make sense, because when I launched Bodhi, these shirts made from these textiles and these silhouettes and this heavyweight textile or the lace shirts, for example, none of that, I was told, would succeed, and yet it did. And you have to remember that. I guess you have to trust your own instincts and trust your own gut on that because it’s really easy to be like, oh, gosh, this person has worked at this incredible historic department store for 15 years, and they worked here, like, 20 years before that. Right. And it’s really tempting to listen to those people and to your top client who wears the clothes so well or has 80 pieces of bodhi, but at the end of the day, they’re buying it because you made those decisions and you started that vision, so you have to take it with a grain of salt. Do you wear only your own clothes? Because, honestly, I would, if I was you, if I knew how to make clothes, I would just make what I want to wear. Do you wear your own clothes? I do wear my own clothes, but I wear a lot of vintage. I’m not necessarily buying all of these to wear, though. I’m also buying them for inspiration. But I’d say on any day. I mean, I try to wear a bodie every day too, because I think it’s really important. Totally. I tell our employees to. It’s not just because I love seeing you in the clothes, but we learn so much about the clothes. Yes. Like, oh, gosh, I love the red lining on the inside of our shoes. It definitely comes off on your socks. And who’s annoyed by it? Because to me, I’m like, it doesn’t annoy me because I love the lining. But you learn so much about wearing the clothes, and I think it’s the best way, especially when you’re starting out. I think it was the most organic way for me to grow my business, and it was how I got really organic press totally from day one, from wearing my own clothes. How do you feel when you see people wearing the clothes? I mean, customers, but also celebrities too. That would be kind of interesting to see. What celebrities? Although celebrities aren’t special, they’re also just like, the regular customers. So fuck celebrities. You know what I’m saying? Yeah. How does it feel to see people wearing the clothes? Oh, God, it’s the best. I truly think it justifies what you’re doing. Totally. More than even winning a competition or an award, running into people wearing your clothes, especially not in your neighborhood. Oh, it was one thing to. We opened a store on Hester street, and so downtown New York, you might go over to this coffee shop and you see a guy. Or if I recognize the client, that’s super inspiring. But it’s when you’re driving on a random street, I can’t even imagine there’s a guy in a coffee shop wearing a shirt. It’s bizarre. It’s amazing. Especially, I think a turning point for the celebrity thing for me was when I first started, the only way for people to really get the clothes were like, bodie through our office. Right? Or maybe through a handful of stores. Maybe there were, like, eight stores. And now that there’s so many stores, we’re kind of like, wait, so they didn’t even go through the press office. This person just shopped it. And that makes you feel really good because people are actually buying it. Absolutely. Especially even when you’re event dressing, where you could easily just asked for a press piece or a loan. But if you’re event dressing for red carpet and you actually bought it from a random store and who knows where, that’s pretty incredible because it means that they’ve truly fallen in love with the clothes. 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Or would you say you also are, like, watching the movies and reading the magazines? Are you going back in time across the board, or are you just more into the antique side of things? I guess my question is, are you sort of in this world fully, like it’s your entertainment? Because I know some people sort of fully dedicate themselves to sort of their aesthetic or their theme. Are you? Yes. I’m, like, curious if the Spider man movie comes out. Is that a little bit, you know what I mean? Definitely not. No. My design practice is object based, for sure, from tangible product. But I love older movies. That was one thing that really shocked me after doing some student critiques at a couple of colleges was I actually feel like that is not as much in. I don’t even want to say in trend, but when I was in school, it was normal and encouraged to look back at history, but like, primary resources. So whether it was books or movies or newspapers or going to exhibitions or working with catalogs, and this was the first time that I had ever done like, senior crits, where people weren’t necessarily doing that, which I thought was kind of a shame because I learned so much about my place in the world World and who I am based on the histories. Not just like my own family histories and my personal history, but by the histories of others and the cultures of others. So going into designing a collection, I have the objects themselves that are super important to the inspiration process, but it’s also the narrative. So I’m interviewing somebody. Usually it’s somebody who I can physically interview. Sometimes it has been a family narrative that I’m referencing. So that’s like the intangible concept behind it or the overarching concept. And then I pull in all of these artifacts and antiques and objects from another wow place. So obviously, that sort of creative process that you have to do twice a year, I’m assuming, or even more, because there might be times when maybe you start it, and then you’re like, a lot of work. Do you enjoy the fashion industry? Obviously, I feel like you can love fashion and hate the industry. I’m curious how you feel about the industry, and maybe you have mixed feelings, as we do about most things in, you know, what’s your sort of feeling about the industry itself? I mean, we definitely sit within the fashion industry. We show on the Paris calendar. But that being said, we are definitely not as much of a capital fashion brand as a lot of brands that we might sit with in. You know, when I launched Bodhi, it was virtually unheard of that you could sell one of a kind product on, like, an essence or a matches that didn’t exist. There were definitely brands who had done it, who had made product from antique materials, but it wasn’t in the way in which we were doing it. I made the choice to be a part of the industry. I made the choice I wanted to show on Paris fashion calendar. From starting on the New York fashion calendar, I wanted to sell in these stores because I loved that I could have dreamt that I was going to be selling in Saks and Bergdorf as a kid and Barney’s, and then that we actually made it happen. That’s, like, a big part of who I am is like, hitting those goals. Absolutely. I also think what’s so even more sort of satisfying about it, I can imagine, is you didn’t do what anyone else was doing, touching upon what we talked about earlier with taking advice from other people. When I launched, I remember this extremely important menswear guy coming to my studio, and he was like, there’s no way these shirts are going to sell. They’re too heavy. Because I was making clothes out of. I still do domestic textiles, so it’s like tablecloths and they’re boxy, and they drape in a certain way, and they’re short and they’re crotch. And he was like, there’s not a customer for that. Right? And there totally is. And it’s like, that’s an instance in which you can’t always listen to people because they didn’t know it yet. It wasn’t a part of what they had ever sold before. So, of course, they couldn’t imagine selling it. I don’t know if you can succeed and bring something new to the table, unless you kind of flip off literally everyone who’s succeeded before who comes to you and says, you got to do it like this. I don’t think you can listen to anyone, because I think the second you start kind of listening to everyone, then you disappear into the abyss of what’s already been done, in a way, of course. But it’s so hard. It’s almost like the hardest test of staying true to what you want to be creating. It’s why I think it’s so hard. Right. And what void are you trying to fill? I think it’s a really important question to ask. I felt that it was really hard for guys to buy clothing, especially to buy vintage clothing and have it fit them or even last a certain amount of time. And that was another impetus for launching the brand, was filling this void of, like, I have guy friends that loved wearing vintage, but it was definitely a lot harder to shop vintage as a male. And so filling a place in the market was a really good exercise to thinking, like, how could I create a successful business? Does this already exist in the market? I’m curious to hear your thoughts about sort of the Internet’s impact on the industry as a whole. I mean, there’s this whole new phenomenon about no outfit repeating. Nobody outfit repeats on social media, and that’s the complete opposite of your ethos. You know what I mean? But do people exclaim that I don’t repeat outfits? You know what? To be honest, no, it’s like a silent, okay, listen. It’s like a social role or something. Yeah, there’s a lot of people now that are sort of, like, completely going backwards and rejecting it. But even growing up in the age of social media, as I did, it started when I was, like, 14, and, oh, interesting. All of a sudden, the girls were posting on Instagram, or, we’re going to the dance, and it’s like, I can’t wear that because I’ve already worn that. Right. And it was something that sort of stemmed from social media somehow. I don’t know. Maybe it’s like seeing celebrities constantly in a new outfit, never in the same outfit. And then my generation was like, okay, so now a lot of us are unlearning it. Me, too. I think one way for me to say how I’ve experienced that is with event dressing. Yes. I’ve noticed that. It’s the same thing. You can. You can. But you don’t traditionally wear the same dress unless it’s, like, years apart to events. If you’re going to do red carpet, and if you’re going to do. If you’re not doing red carpet, you can wear whatever. You totally wear the same dress you wore to the event last. Celebrities get weird sometimes because they’re like, I’m not wearing that because she wore that. And then people are going to be like, for sure. That’s kind of what I thought of. Which I do get, because then it’s like everybody’s making a collage on Instagram, like, who wore it better? And then it’s a nightmare. Well, some people do it purposefully, too. Yes. Because they do the who wore it, and they know they’ll do the who wore it better, which is kind of fun. And if they know that, they’re going to wear it better caddy. That’s the womenswear world that I’m not so into. But it’s crazy, because our men’s clients, we dress a lot of people for their weddings. Those guys are wearing their wedding suits every event after their wedding. Forever. Yeah. And, I mean, even with Aaron, he wears his wedding tucks all the time, and that’s totally normal. But I think that’s more of, like, a basic tuck. So I think it’s like, if you have a perfect black dress, maybe you can get away with it. Yeah. It’s an interesting concept. And you’re right. I’m sure social media has only fueled that. I guess I don’t post enough on my personal instagram to really even think about, did I wear that dress again? But it goes through my head for events. I passed you in the Met gala line, and I was like, I should say, no way. Wait, you were there? Yeah, because I did red carpet. And then I was like, oh, man. She’s like, literally, in interviews, I was like, I’ll see her in a little bit. To be honest, I’m so blacked out in that setting. I’m, like, not sure. I’m just, like, full robot mode. Right. Who knows how pleasant that would have been? I think I’m in a much more pleasant state of mind here. You also always forget that, of course, your interviews are being filmed, but everybody on the carpet is being filmed. About to go on the carpet. Well, that was new, so they decided to move the camera from the top of the steps to the bottom. So everyone’s in the back. Being filmed caused some drama. Yeah. Well, what’s next for you? What’s next for you? What are you excited about? I’m really excited for women’s wear. That’s pretty exciting to me. Huge. Because we’re going to learn so much like this first season. Some things might fail terribly or some things might sell out really quickly that we didn’t expect. And that’s always really exciting because I worked retail for so long throughout college and after college, and that learning experience is so valuable to a brand, and I’m excited to see what happens there. It’s going to be huge. Do you think designing for womenswear is now designing for you? It’s probably more so. The women in my family, it’s like my mom and her sisters when they were young, at least that’s what this last collection was. And I think that’s the entire identity of the Bodhi woman, is my mom and her sisters. I love that. I’m going to be wearing all of it. Good. I can’t wait. Thank you for coming in and flying here for me. Oh, my gosh. Of course. I’m honored.