1. Mind Pump: Refers to a podcast mentioned in the passage that focuses on fitness, health, and entertainment.

2. Exogenously: Originating externally; in the context of the passage, it refers to substances introduced into the body from an external source.

3. Microbiome: The community of microorganisms (such as bacteria, fungi, and viruses) that inhabit a particular environment or the body, in this case, the skin’s microbiome.

4. Coevolution: The process in which two or more species influence each other’s evolution, often leading to a mutual adaptation.

5. Estrogenic: Relating to or producing effects similar to those of estrogen, a hormone that plays a key role in the development and functioning of the female reproductive system.

6. Xenoestrogens: Synthetic compounds that mimic the action of estrogen in the body and are often found in certain chemicals or pollutants.

7. Synthetic: Produced by chemical synthesis, especially to imitate a natural product.

8. Formulation: The composition or recipe of a substance, in this context, referring to the ingredients used in skincare products.

9. Exogenous Testosterone: Testosterone administered from an external source, not produced naturally by the body.

10. Circadian Rhythm: The natural, internal process that regulates the sleep-wake cycle and repeats roughly every 24 hours.

11. Hormone Replacement Therapy: Medical treatment involving the administration of hormones, often used to supplement inadequate levels of hormones in the body.

12. Endogenous: Originating or produced within an organism, in contrast to exogenous.

13. Scientific Dogma: A set of beliefs or principles accepted by a scientific community without thorough examination or questioning.

14. Scientism: The excessive belief in the power of scientific knowledge and techniques.

15. Objective: Not influenced by personal feelings or opinions in considering and representing facts.

16. Deliberately: In a manner that is consciously and intentionally done.

17. Ratling off: Rapidly reciting or listing information.

18. Daycare: A facility where parents can leave their children to be cared for during the day.

19. Synthesis: The combination of ideas to form a theory or system.

20. Norm: A standard or pattern regarded as typical or average.

21. Day/Night Contrast Therapy: Alternating exposure to hot and cold temperatures for therapeutic purposes.

22. Arrogant: Having an exaggerated sense of one’s abilities or importance.

23. Objective Data: Factual information that is observable and measurable.

24. Obnoxious: Extremely unpleasant or offensive.

25. Zoos: Facilities where live animals are kept for public exhibition.

26. Circumvent: Find a way around (an obstacle).

27. Conclusively: In a manner that provides a final and indisputable settlement.

28. Calorific: Relating to the amount of heat released during the combustion of a substance.

29. Ingesting: Taking food, drink, or another substance into the body by swallowing or absorbing it.

30. Conclusive Data: Information that leads to a definite and indisputable conclusion.

31. Strangers: People who are not familiar or acquainted with someone; individuals unknown to another person.

32. Perceive: To become aware of, know, or identify through the senses; to recognize or understand.

33. Traumatic: Relating to or causing severe emotional or psychological distress; distressing or disturbing.

34. Disassociate: To disconnect or separate oneself from something, often as a coping mechanism.

35. Tribal: Pertaining to a tribe or social group; characterized by a sense of community and shared identity.

36. Immersion: Involvement or deep engagement in a particular activity or environment.

37. Adversity: Difficulties or challenges; unfavorable or harmful circumstances.

38. Unnatural: Not in accordance with the ordinary course of nature; artificial or contrived.

39. Neuroplasticity: The ability of the brain to reorganize and adapt by forming new neural connections.

40. Innovative: Characterized by the introduction of new ideas, methods, or products; creative or original.

41. Opine: To express an opinion; to hold or express a particular view.

42. Superpower: A superior or extraordinary ability or quality; often used metaphorically to describe exceptional skills.

43. Cannabis: The genus of flowering plants that includes hemp and marijuana; commonly used as a psychoactive drug.

44. Medicate: To treat or alleviate symptoms of an illness or condition with the use of medication.

45. Recruitment Pattern: The sequence of muscle activation and movement during a specific physical activity.

46. Consciously: With awareness, intention, or deliberate thought; not automatically or reflexively.

47. Default: A pre-established setting or condition; the automatic option in the absence of a specific choice.

48. Hike: To raise or lift, often used in the context of raising the shoulders.

49. Coping Mechanism: A strategy or behavior adopted to manage stress, challenges, or difficult emotions.

50. Passage: A section or excerpt from a larger written work, such as a text or speech.

51. LMNT: This term is mentioned in the passage, but its specific definition is not provided. However, based on context, it seems to be related to an electrolyte product or supplement.

52. Electrolytes: Substances that conduct electricity in a solution and are essential for various physiological functions, including maintaining fluid balance, nerve signaling, and muscle contractions.

53. Jiu Jitsu: A martial art and combat sport that focuses on ground fighting and submission holds.

54. Sodium: A chemical element that is essential for various bodily functions, including fluid balance, nerve transmission, and muscle function.

55. Processed Foods: Foods that have undergone significant alterations from their original form through various methods such as cooking, refining, or adding preservatives.

56. Magnesium: A mineral that plays a crucial role in various bodily functions, including muscle and nerve function, blood glucose control, and bone health.

57. Potassium: An essential mineral that helps regulate fluid balance, muscle contractions, and nerve signals in the body.

58. Isometrics: A type of exercise in which muscles are contracted without changing their length, often used for strength training.

59. Brachialis: A muscle located underneath the biceps in the upper arm, involved in elbow flexion.

60. Supple Leopard: Mentioned in the context of mobility training, likely referring to the book “Becoming a Supple Leopard” by Kelly Starrett, which focuses on improving movement and mobility.

61. Hypertrophy: The increase in size of an organ or tissue, often referring to muscle hypertrophy in the context of strength training.

62. CNS (Central Nervous System): The complex of nerve tissues, including the brain and spinal cord, that controls various bodily functions.

63. Correctional Exercise: Exercises designed to correct imbalances, weaknesses, or movement dysfunctions in the body.

64. Biomechanics: The study of the mechanical aspects of living organisms, including movement, structure, and function.

65. NSCA (National Strength and Conditioning Association): Mentioned in the context of certifications, NSCA is a widely recognized organization that offers certifications in strength and conditioning.

66. NASM (National Academy of Sports Medicine): A certification organization providing education and certifications in fitness and personal training.

67. NISM (National Institute of Sports Management): Mentioned in the context of sports performance specialist certification.

68. Nesta: National Exercise & Sports Trainers Association, offering certifications in fitness and personal training.

69. Ken Stretch: Not explicitly mentioned in the passage, but it might refer to Kinstretch, a movement enhancement system that focuses on improving flexibility and joint health.

70. Doe: Mentioned in the context of certification, unclear without additional information.

71. Individualize: Tailor or adapt something to suit the individual needs or characteristics.

72. Anabolic: Relating to the metabolic process of building up complex molecules from simpler ones, often associated with muscle growth.

73. Homeostasis: The tendency of the body or a system to maintain internal stability and balance.

74. Lateral Training: Training that involves movements in the frontal plane, typically targeting the muscles on the sides of the body.

75. Correctional Work: Exercises or activities aimed at correcting imbalances, weaknesses, or issues in movement patterns.

76. Trigger Sessions: Short and targeted training sessions focused on specific muscle groups or movement patterns.

77. Mobility: The ability to move a joint or series of joints through a full, unrestricted range of motion.

78. Black Belt (Metaphor): Referring to a high level of expertise or mastery in a particular field, in this context, program design.

79. Rigid Structure: A fixed and inflexible framework or plan.

80. Dogmatic: Adhering strictly to a belief or set of principles without considering other viewpoints.

81. Cocky: Overconfident or arrogant in a way that is irritating to others.

82. Arrogant: Having an exaggerated sense of one’s own importance or abilities.

83. Outsource: To delegate or transfer a task or responsibility to an external source.

84. Coevolve: To evolve together in a reciprocal manner.

85. Hexane Solvent: A chemical solvent used in the extraction of oil from seeds.

86. Downstream Effects: Unintended consequences or effects that occur as a result of a particular action or decision.

87. Fear Mongering: The action of deliberately arousing public fear or alarm about a particular issue.

88. Puritan: A person who adheres to strict moral or religious principles, often used metaphorically to describe those with a strict approach to health.

89. Preservatives: Substances added to food to prevent spoilage or deterioration.

90. Phased Expert Exercise Programming: A structured and progressive approach to exercise programming designed by experts over a specific time period.

91. Frontal Plane: One of the anatomical planes, dividing the body into front and back halves.

92. Metabolic Process: The chemical reactions that occur within a living organism to maintain life.

93. Internal Stability: Maintenance of a constant and optimal internal environment within the body.

94. Range of Motion: The extent of movement that a joint or body part can go through.

95. Infographic: A visual representation of information or data designed to make complex information more understandable.

96. Reciprocal Manner: In a way that involves mutual action or influence.

97. Imbalances: Lack of proportion or symmetry, often used in the context of muscle or movement imbalances.

98. Unrestricted Range of Motion: The ability to move a joint freely without limitations.

99. Industrial Processing: The use of advanced machinery and technology in the mass production of goods.

100. Deodorize: The process of removing or neutralizing unpleasant odors.

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Mind Pump.Mind pump with your hosts.Sal DeStefano, Adam Schaefer and Justin Andrews.You just found the most downloaded fitness,health, and entertainment podcast in history.This is mindpumper.In today’s episode, we answered listeners questions,but this was after an intro portion.Today it was 59 minutes long.In the intro portion, we talk about currentevents, scientific studies, our families, random stuff.It’s a lot of fun.By the way, if you want to fast forwardto your favorite parts, check the show notes.There’s timestamps there, and you can just click on one.It’ll take you right to where you want to go.Also, if you want to ask us a questionthat we might pick for an episode like thisone, go to Instagram at MindPump Media.Every Sunday we give the option orthe opportunity to post the question.Then we might pick it.Now, this episode is brought to you by some sponsors.The first one is Caldera lab.They make skincare products derived from natural sourcesthat have been shown in studies to improvethe appearance and health of your skin. 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Go check them out.Go to calderalab.com MindPump, use thecode MindPump and get 20% off.This episode is also brought to you by Element.This is an electrolyte powder drink designedfor athletes, people who eat whole naturalfood, diets, people on low carb diets.There’s no artificial sweeteners, there’s no calories,and it has the right amount ofsodium for performance, recovery and pumps.This stuff actually makes a difference.Check them out.Go to drinklmnt.com MindPump and on that link you’llget a free sample pack with any order.We’re also running a sale thismonth on some workout programs.Maps Bands is half off and our hardgainer bundle of programs is half off.They’re both 50% off only this month.If you’re interested, go to Mapsfitnessproducts.com and then usethe code October 50 for the 50% off discount.All right, here comes the show.Here’s a good rule of thumb when itcomes to your health, natural is better.In other words, if you can’t get your bodyto naturally be healthier, that’s the best option.All right, what’s the second best option?Well, if you have to use products to helpyourself out, use those that help encourage natural processes.Those that try to mimic natural processes.Synthetic tends to be worse than natural.So if you follow those two strategies,you’re probably going to be better off.I wanted to do that because, well,there’s a couple of reasons why.One, natural is always better, right?So naturally good hormone levels are better thanhormones that have to be taken exogenously.Obviously, if you’re left with no other option, thenwhat you want to do is you want tomimic natural levels as best as you can.That’s the second best option diet, same thing.Things you put on your skin, same thing.If you put things on your skin that don’t workwith your skin’s natural way of being healthy, then you’reprobably worse off than working with things that encourage orwork with your skin’s natural ways of being healthy.Usually that’s a great rule of thumb, andI think if people kind of followed thisas their guideline, they’d be much better off.It just tends to be true most of the time.So I wanted to ask you that.So Caldera just came out with a new Beardproduct, and I was reading the label on it,and I saw seed oils in it.There’s all this stuff going around right now withseed oils just being so bad for you.Is there a difference in me digesting itversus me putting it on my skin? Okay.Yeah, there is.The skin is the largest organ of the body. Yes.A lot of companies will use, like, syntheticproducts, compounds to mimic what is natural.Natural products, those derived off of plants andoils are typically going to be better.Of course, the formulation matters, but typically better becausethey’re going to more mimic the oils in yourskin that you naturally produce, balance out your PH.They’re not going to wipe out orseverely disrupt your skin’s microbiome or what’sconsidered a healthy microbiome, whereas the syntheticproducts generally tend to do that.Of course, there’s always you want to look at theproduct itself, but the controversy around seed oils has todo with consuming them, not putting them on your skin.Now, yes, putting things on your skin, it definitelycan affect your insides, but like seed oils ornatural oils or plants, they’re not going to havethe estrogenic effects like the Xenoestrogens may have.At the very least, we’ve coevolved with things thatoccur in nature, so we’re more likely to understandwhat they will do and what they won’t doversus, let’s say, a new chemical that, oh, myGod, this is so good for you.We don’t have thousands of yearsof coevolution with those things.That doesn’t necessarily mean it’s bad,but we just don’t know.And when you don’t know, I think going on theside of natural tends to point us in a betterso I think that’s what a lot of people thinkwhen they ingest some of these seed oils. Right.So Doug’s got pulled up the Caldera Lab website, andyou look at the apricot oil, the gooseberry seed oil,red raspberry, you have all these things that are, like,natural, that are mixed up to make this blend thatfeels amazing on my beard and makes it look shiny.Right.But then you have this stuff going aroundof, like, the different types of seed oilsthat people are cooking with and ingesting.Totally different. Okay, so, yeah.How is that different?So those are different seeds, by the way, that they’reusing in those seed oils, those industrial seed oils aremade from things that are not in the caldera.Beard oil, for example.Some of the stuff you mentioned, you could literally takeone of those seeds, squeeze it off the plant. Yeah.You’re not like, going through this industrialprocess to extract oil processing process.You have to deodorize it and use other chemicalsto strip it so that it doesn’t smell bad.So do you think that that’s sorry to interruptyou, but I want to make a point.If that’s true, do you think that ismost likely, whether we know for sure ornot, that these seed oils are very harmful? Right.Because the verdict isn’t completely out.I feel like there’s a camp of peoplethat think it’s the worst thing ever.Then there’s other camp that like theLane Nortons who are like, well, whatthe studies say, it’s not clear yet.So do you think what we are seeing iskind of like what we learned about GMO stuff?It’s more about what they’re spraying or the process ofit than it is actually the seed oils itself.So it’s like the seed oils are chemicalresidue from the treatment, just the whole process.Like, okay, so look at it this way.And again, this isn’t conclusive, butit is generally a good direction. Right.Because we don’t have data to conclusively show there’s somethat shows it’s bad, some that shows it’s okay.We don’t have conclusive data, so we have togo off of, okay, well, what’s a good estimate?What’s a good guess?And a good guess and estimate is not well data.We don’t have the data yet, therefore it’s okay.To me, that’s not a good direction because wedidn’t have data on a lot of things thatwe now know are bad for us.So what’s a good strategy?A good strategy is is this somethingthat humans could have consumed in thosequantities without the industrial processing processes?And the answer is no.There’s no way you would consume grapeseed oil or rapeseed oil, as they call it, in the amounts thatwe can consume them without these crazy industrial processes.It’s impossible.So it’s a good kind of rule of thumbto be like, okay, well, we don’t know.So I’m going to go with, like, oliveoil, because you could squeeze in olive.I’m going to go with avocadooil because it’s right there.I don’t have to go through this super advanced processto pull this oil out, and we never consume this.It’s just a good rule of thumb.Now, will it get proven one way or the other over time?I believe so.But so far, what seems to be true forthe most part is the further away we movefrom how we evolve, the more problems we encounter.It seems like scientists.I mean, I get it.Like you’re trying to just completely go by data andall these studies that are going to kind of giveyou one direction or the other, but it usually takesfive to ten years to reveal that.So in the meantime, you’re telling theconsumer that, yeah, well, based on whatwe have right now, everything is fine.And in that regard, as a consumer, I don’t knowthat I want to follow that kind of strategy.It doesn’t seem like a lot of thecases that have been out there for whatever.It’s artificial sugar, whether it’s some of theseother controversial type of foods that you’re in. WWW.ARMINIC.COM Testing.I’m not going to take that chance asa consumer going forward on my own health.It’s why on things where there’s otheralternatives, there’s a healthy, natural alternative.We know that to be the case already.So it’s like I’m taking a chance in thisdirection based off of whatever data you’re presenting.Look, even things that seem to be innocuous,like, oh, we can live temperature controlled roomsand houses and we have electric lights.Like, that’s amazing. We should do that. Right.That moved us away from how we evolved.Now it’s got its own benefits.I’d rather live in a temperature controlled housewith electric lights than live in a cave.Okay, but are there side effects thatwe couldn’t possibly or didn’t even predict?Yeah, like our body’s ability to adjust to temperature.Well, it seems like that’s a muscle.If you don’t strengthen it,you actually weaken the body.This is why Hot Cold contrasttherapy has got health benefits.What about electric lights?Our sleep is definitely disrupted because our brains evolvedwith the sun rising and then the sun setting.And so because of that, your circadianrhythm is attuned to that environment.We moved into an artificial environment, ourprimitive bodies, because our bodies are essentiallythe same as they were 100,000 yearsago, there’s no difference or even longer.We have some side effects.So what about food?Well, it’s a good thing that we havefood accessible to us all the time.It’s a good thing that we’ve createdfoods that have a long shelf life. Right.Are there side effects of that?Yeah, obesity.Obesity becoming a big one.hyperprocessed food, that becomes another problem.So it’s just a good rule of thumb.Why do you think it’s so difficultfor people to frame that like that?Because why does it become sothe scientific dogmatic and camps?It’s either you believe it or you don’t believe itversus like, well, why can’t you just have more ofapproach of like, for example and by the way, Idon’t look at those things and demonize it.I’ve openly talked about drinking Diet Coke, butI’m also mindful of how unnatural it isand that it’s probably not ideal. Totally.I do it all the time, so I’m justnot like willy nilly drinking ten of them aday because I like them that much.It’s an occasional treat for you,is how you perceive it. Right.And I don’t look at it like because it’sdiet and zero calories, this is healthy for me.I look at it like, this is pretty far from natural.So if I really like this, I shouldprobably minimize the amount I do it becauseit’s probably not ideal for me.Whether that’s been proven to be true or not.I don’t understand why that is sucha big deal to frame it.It’s just a really good rule of thumb.You always got to weigh things out.I brought up like hormone replacement. Right.So if you’re a man with really lowtestosterone, can’t get it up naturally, it’s notworking, then you go on hormone replacement.It’s better than being low testosterone.But is it better than havingnaturally good levels of testosterone?No, because it doesn’t perfectly mimic thenatural way your body produces testosterone, whichare like spurts throughout the day.If you take testosterone, you typicallywill do like an injection.It gets a high peak after day one, and it kindof slowly goes down over time and stays relatively high.The body doesn’t naturallyproduce testosterone that way.So is it better if you compared people ontestosterone therapy to people who are healthy, with goodhealthy levels of testosterone and all things being controlled?I guarantee you the natural testosterone is goingto outperform it in terms of longevity.But if you compare low testosterone totestosterone that is artificially exogenous testosterone ina better place with exogenous, then you’regoing to see it’s better.So if your options are to starve or notget adequate nutrients or eat things with some seedoils, then, yeah, you got a better option.But if your option is seed oils versus olive oilor butter or avocado oil, then it’s probably better becausethose seed oils require crazy amounts of processing with advancedtechniques that didn’t exist up until, I don’t know, what,50 years ago, 60 years ago.If your minimal requirements for surviving is covered,now we got to look at quality.It’s not that crazy of athought to go through this logic.I completely shifted the way I looked atsupplements, like, midway through my career too, becauseof the point you’re making right now.I remember when I was the kidwho was trying every testosterone booster explode,all these performance supplements to build moremuscle mass stuff, to build more muscle.Yet I’m super deficient in vitamin D, or my Bvitamins are off, or like I’m not getting enough iron.Or it’s like you’re far better off looking atwhere you’re potentially deficient in nutrients that are importantto your body to run optimally and balancing thatout than you are taking some performance, the latestcutting performance supplement that’s out there.And the irony of that, and the reason why Iknow it’s not pushed very hard is because it’s cheap.Yeah, it’s not very expensive to go pick somevitamin D up, you know what I’m saying?Or some B vitamins.There’s more money to sell you on the newestno explode, creatine branch chain, amino mass builder.There’s science. Which science?The scientific method is objective.It’s a wonderful process, one ofthe greatest discoveries of humanity.It allows us to innovate and test things objectively.It’s amazing.But then there’s also the cultureof the scientific community or peoplein science, people, of course, imperfect.Or like scientism, right?Like a religion around it where it’s like, well, if thedata doesn’t show that it’s bad, then it’s not bad.Or show me the data, show me the data type of deal.It’s like, okay, we’re not always going tohave data, but we can use logic.And this goes in both directions.I remember talking about the supplement ashwagandha.Ashwagandha had been used for hundreds or thousandsof years for libido vitality stress relief. Okay?But there was no data to support it.So you’d bring up Ashwagandha and the sciencecommunity be like, well, there’s no data.Doesn’t do anything like, well, it’s been usedfor thousands of years for this thing.Maybe we should listen to people who’vebeen using it for thousands of years.There’s probably some value.Now we have data showingit provides all those benefits.So now they’re on board.You brought up Caldera.If you look at here’s why Ithink Caldera is so damn effective.Like, one bottle of their serum, okay, worksexceptionally well on Justin and on me.You couldn’t have two different skin types. He’s dry.His skin is dry.Mine is oily.I obviously darker, complexed.He’s much lighter, complexed.Our skin is very different.With synthetic products, you would have a productfor dry skin, one for oily skin.You’d have all these processes, allthese chemicals to do that.Whatever Caldera, it’s the same formula.What does Caldera do?It uses natural compounds that more closely match andmimic your skin’s natural way of being healthy.It works with your skin.So someone with dry skin, it works.And with oily skin, it works as well.Now, it’s a rule of thumb, butit’s not like a hard set rule.Yes, there’s natural things that are bad for you andthings that are synthetic that are better for you.But generally speaking, when you have this question inmind, should I put this on my skin?You look at the ingredients.How many examples are out there like that?I would love to hear that.Because they’re derived from science, always looks tonatural, whether it’s from animals or plants orsomething in nature that they can mimic.And then they recreate it in alab and create the synthetic version.I don’t understand that argument in terms ofthe synthetic being better, in terms of howthey took out maybe some of the toxic.I mean, we always think more is better.They concentrate is what they do.But then there’s a delivery systemthat they’re not accounting for.Yeah, I mean, that’s why I love the analogy.I forget when I first read.I know I’ve shared it on here a bunch of times.But a long time I said it withthe sugar analogy, with the sugar cane fiber.You got to get sugar actually would not be that badto consume if you ate it in its natural form becauseyou know how hard it would be to get the amount.I remember reading the amount of sugar that’s in one Cokeis like, equivalent to six or 8ft of sugar cane.You know, the amount of effort and work you wouldhave to do to grind that up by hand orchew that down to get to that much sugar?Literally, you burn off the caloriesthat you would consume getting it.That’s how safe and okay it would be to consumeas much sugar as you want in its natural state.But we’ve found a way to process itdown and refine it and concentrate it, andnow it’s you know what’s funny about this?This is how arrogant humans are.We are pretty good about this with animals.When you look at people that care for animals inzoos, even, or when they’re in captivity or even ourown pets, everything’s delicately be balanced and managed.We’re like, oh, what is their natural habitat? Right?Let’s mimic this as best possible.What do they eat?If we can do it, if we can bringit as close to natural as possible, that’s best.And everybody knows that, right?We don’t look at ourselves as animals. No. You know? WWW.ARMINIC.COM Why?Because the ship is sailed for us.We’re so far totally from that.We don’t consider that we’re animals. Yeah.So we don’t want to look back ready for space.We don’t want to look back at thatand say that, because when you really thinkabout that, almost everything we do is obnoxiousand beyond what we our natural environment.Like, walk to your house and literally think abouteverything that you use or have in there.Like, there’s nothing I don’t likeit being that hot, dude.There’s little all of this there’s littlesigns and hints of it, though, right?Why do we put plants inside our house?Oh, I know, right?Why do we put plants all over theplace trying to bring it back in?Why do we like things that makethe sound of water but without bugs?You know what I mean? I like to hear water.I don’t want to be an actual waterfall.I pay $5,000 for my waterfall.The rest of my it’s so funny.Or like when people like, imagine imagine a dogowner right now, right, and they keep their dogin a confined space for 7 hours.And then they come home, they let the dogout, and they don’t let the dog go outside.And the dog starts acting weird.They don’t think to themselves, like, better put mydog on some medicine because my dog’s got Add.He’s chewing up all my shit.Weird people do, but yeah, people will belike, oh, it’s because your dog’s locked up.He’s exercise. We need to be outside.And then we do our safety to our kids.Why is Timmy acting up in class?He must be something wrong with Timmy.I either put him in front of a screen for 4hours when he’s home and then I put him in aschool where they sit him at a desk for 6 hours.Let’s put him on some medicationso he can operate in this.So I was talking with my I was talkingto my daughter about this because there’s a friendthat she has who’s getting tested for Add.Do you guys know this, by the way? Add and ADHD.Now it’s all add.That means the same add. Yeah.I learned this, by the way, because mywife is very well versed in Add.She was like, ratling off all the current information.And I looked at her and I realized, like,did you learn about this because of me? Yeah.Are you studying me?She’s like, yes.It helps me understand. Helps me figure.I’m like, oh, really?I’m like, can you explain someof the ways that this is?And so she were talking with my daughter.She’s like, well, sometimes your dad canseem like he’s not paying attention.Or I’m like, does he care about me?Is he even listening to me?But then when I realized how his brain works,I realized, like, no, I’m not taking it personal.I’m like, okay, well, I guess that’s good and bad.Anyway, she’s all putting remindernotes and scientific studies.Anyway, so we were talking with her about itbecause she has a friend who’s going through thistesting, and I’m like and we were trying toexplain to her how unnatural the school setting is.I’m like, we’re taking children who of the entireage range, right, from birth till death, right?The age range that you probably are going to moveor want to move the most is the ages thatwe make your ass sit down and look at someonetalking and listen to them all day long.And then we’ll let you out for a little bitand then come back inside, do the same thing.I’m like, It’s also so unnatural tosit only with kids your own age.So here’s something that I noticed.When my two and a half year old plays with othertwo and a half year olds, they struggle, they’ll fight forthe same toy with a five or six year old.Watch how well he does.Put him with a five or six year old orput him with a little someone even younger than him.They perfectly work together.So I’m like, the environment is so unnatural.So I told my daughter, I said, a lotof kids are going to struggle on that.In fact, it’s surprising some kidsare okay in that environment.And then our answer is to put them on these crazydrugs that make them act the way that they’re supposed to.Well, I remember I never thoughtabout it until I had Max.The thought of what we dowith daycare, how crazy is that?It never dawned on me.That’s a natural thing we do in our society.It’s very well accepted that this is the norm.Your kid gets to about a year, two years old,you have to go to work, you guys go back.And so you drop them off at this daycare wherethey love your kid and they take care of it.Imagine you just came into this world andyou figured out who mom and dad barelyhave figured out who mom and dad are.This is your safe place.And then they just hand you away to somestrangers and think of, like, as a kid. Remember?Here’s another way I thought about, too, isthat you don’t realize is time is sodifferent the younger you are, of course.Remember when you were like eight or nine yearsold and the summer was so short and theschool year was so that they’ve proven that youperceive time much faster as you age.Wait, yeah, it’s so different. Yeah.If I told you in a year from now, you’d belike, oh, my God, it’s only a year from now, right?You tell that to a ten year old,they’re like, oh, that’s like a lifetime.So imagine a kid who gets dropped off for6 hours and they’re only a year old.That’s like a huge fraction of their time.And so they’re going to evenperceive that differently than you are.Man, imagine how many kids and then heaven forbid, theyhave a traumatic experience where maybe they have diarrhea ormaybe the lady’s not nice to them or they’re notpaying attention or another kid is like pushing them down,like, oh, my God, normal is not natural.We confuse the two. We’re like, oh, it’s normal.Everybody does it.Okay, but that doesn’t necessarily meanit’s good or it’s natural.No, there’s data and listen,parents listening right now. I get this.There’s lots of things that I do thatare not ideal because I have to thisis just daycare and stuff like that.It’s one of them school.Sending your kid to traditionalschool, that’s another one.It’s just the way it is.We’re never going to be perfect.Okay, so I totally understand.There’s lots of data to show that taking your kidto daycare when they’re little is traumatizing because it teachesthem that they have to break this bond.They have to oh, I got to deal with this other person.A lot of them learn how to disassociate, disconnect.It’s harder for them to build.And if you think about what’s natural, we grew upwith all the people we knew right out the gates.Right out the gates.We know these people.We know all these people.We’re with them all since birth. And then what?I’m with still tribal at the end of the day. Yeah.And that’s your core unit tribe.And then you spawn off from there andyou introduce it’s just like this immersion ofall strangers and then figure it out. Sink or swim.It’s pretty rough.Well, and I think the point of bringing it up isnot to shame anyone, any parent, by any means at all.It’s to become aware of it. Right.Is to be aware of it.So that gets factored into our decisions.We’re a little more empathetic that way with the kids.Yeah.You’re more patient with the kid.Maybe you take a little bit more maybe you asa rushed parent, be a little more mindful of whenyou just drop them off, like the whole process ofthat going down and then they’re picking them up.Or maybe when there is an option where you don’thave to take them there, you’re like, you know what?I’m not going to because I’d rather I want tobe with him as much as I possibly can.So it just gets factored in.You’re just more aware of it.Doesn’t mean that you can’t or you’renot doing what the best you canto survive because obviously that precedes. That right.If you had to go to work to give yourkids food and keep them alive, that, well, guess what?They’re going to have to have some adversityand they’re going to go through that.It’s like not having a roof over your head needs met.Yeah.Not having a roof over your headis way worse than going to dish. Yeah, that’s right.But that’s the point is to like not justbecause society has deemed it normal and okay doesn’tnecessarily mean that it really is normal. It’s not.We’ve decided that that’s going to be but thereality of it’s actually very unnatural to do that.So because you are doing something that’sunnatural and it’s your child maybe beingmindful that I think is important.Our entire field, the field that we work in, what wedo on the podcast, is really artificial ways of trying tokeep people healthy in a crazy, not natural world.Think about this for a second.It’s like a massive intervention.Think about how weird this is.This is so strange. If you really think about thisin the context of humanity, right?We schedule a time to go to a placeto lift heavy things and put them back down.We’ve built nothing.We’ve hunted nothing.It was not a necessity.Yet we have to do it to offsethow terribly unhealthy normal modern life is.We have to find the purpose within it, too.It doesn’t give you that immediate gratificationif I built this right away.No, you have to develop a relationship around it,and you have to create this framework around itso that you do it on a consistent basis. But how weird.Imagine if you took someone bizarre.Imagine 100,000 years ago, right?Not even 100 years ago.Yeah, take someone from 100 I’ve said that before.Take someone 100 years ago andshow them the gym environment.They’d be like, what the fuck are you doing?There’s plenty of work to do out in the field.Go shovel outside. That’s right.You have a barn to build right now.You have some animals to do.My grandfather said that to me.I never forget my grandfather. True man.He told me, he goes, you work out.He’s like, I just worked out part.In fact, my Sicilian grandfather, because of thework he did, it was so hard, right?They were really poor.His context of how much weightsomething is was how many. WWW.ARMINIC.COM What are those called? Those boxes?They’re like pallets or whatever.Like, how many pallets of lemons?Oh, that’s six pallets of lemons. They’re crazy.That’s right.My dad will be like, oh, Salcould deadlift x amount of pounds.My grandfather would be like, okay, howmany pallets of lemons is that?My dad’s like, it’s probably like this.Oh, that’s pretty good.Well, when I worked at the ranch, it wasfunny because really, diet and exercise was never aconversation for their family because the whole life revolvedaround and farming is seven days a week.You don’t get a day off, geta vacation, get up in the morning. Yeah.Especially a dairy farm.That’s happening twice.Your nutrition is like what you do? A lot of it’s.Eggs, milk and stuff.You eat whatever bacon you want,whatever eggs you want, whatever.And you drink however much milk you want.And you’re burning so much off and you’re doinglaborous heavy things all day that there’s not evena thought that goes into weight management or, oh,I shouldn’t eat this, or I should eat that.You feel like a treat and have ice cream that day.Who cares?It’s not a big deal because don’t worry.Tomorrow you got plenty of work to do.Actually, in fact, why don’t treats tomorrow?Yeah, you need energy for tomorrow.It was actually really interesting to becausethat was actually right when I wasgetting interested in training and exercise.And I have these two worlds I live in.I go back to the city with my friends andmy normal life, and then I have this dairy farmlife and their life versus everybody else’s is so different.When you think about it, that’s how mostpeople’s life was just 150 years ago.I still have such fond memories.Memories of my dad taking me to work with him.And then every once in a while, himand his workers would have fun and theywould just compete with each other right.To see who was stronger or more fit.But it was always in the contextof the shit that they did.So it was always like, who could lift the shovel?Those every construction? Yeah.From the furthest part of thehandle with the brick on it.Or shovel the most concrete in the shortest port.Or how many bags of cementcan you lift above your head?Or who could lift a long piece ofwood by just putting it on their body?And they would create their own feats of strength.None of it was like how much weight.It was just reminding me something.This was like a popular one of thosethings that just moved through our society.Even before social media, there was a popularprank that you with a concrete bag. Yes.And you’d slice it. So here’s what it was.Everybody did this? Yeah. Did you guys do this?This is before social media.So what you do is if you have a new guyon the staff or the team, it’s usually some young kidand maybe late teens, early 20s who chose this.He’s like, I’m going to go in this career.They’d say, okay, how many times can youlift a bag of cement above your head?So what you do is you put it on your head.Then you get a guy behind you tokind of watch your technique or form.Then a guy in front of you is going to count.And what you do is you press it up and bring it down.But you have to hold it up.So the guy gets exacto knife, he presses itup, a guy with a trowel or a Zactoknife behind him cuts it in the middle.Right?That was like a thing, right?That was like a thing that everybody Ithink if you ever did construction, I thinkeverybody did that to the induction.Isn’t it wild how stuff like that, likethe Nintendo thing, we talked about that before,where it’s like just everybody blew in it.How did we know?Yeah, there was no internet.There was nobody sharing stuffon the internet back then. It just spread.Yeah, or the atomic sit up we talked about.Yeah, yeah, nobody ever don’t look that up.I was talking to I think it was likeEthan and his friends about that they couldn’t believeand thankfully one or two of them knew, butthe other ones didn’t know about it.It was awkward describing know, it almostsounded like I was like, EW, thatsounds like gross and kind of rapey. Yes.I told my kids about it.As I’m telling it, you startbecause there are mirrors, right?Whoever you’re talking to, if I tell you guys, we laugh.Ha.I didn’t realize how terrible it was.Yeah, I was telling my kids, and I remember my sonmust have been in 8th grade maybe at the time.And he looks at me and he goes, that’s sexual assault.And I’m like, oh yeah, I guess you’re right.It was like it’s terrible.Thankfully I wasn’t one of them.Holding them down real bad.What are we doing to each other?I don’t know, dude, it was a joke. Yeah.You guys know the theory behind that, right?Why guys do shit like that to each other?There’s a theory, right? What is it?Oh, you find out who’s the weak one. Yeah.So I was actually talking again, I was talkingto my daughter about this because Jessica told herabout the prank she played on me with thetexting and my daughter thought was so funny.And I told her, I said, never start.I was having the whole conversation with my daughter.I said, don’t ever do a prank warwith a boy because boys escalate at weight.They don’t know where to stop.It’ll be really bad.So I was giving her somebodygets hurt with a guy always.Or something terrible, like, okay, I made you jumpand then you took a poop on my desk.How is that a normal escalation?And that’s something that boysyou skipped a few levels.It just gets crazy.Then it was like, well, why do boys do that?Why do guys do that?The theory is that guys are constantly this isthe theory, so who knows if it’s true?But they’re testing each other. Like going to war.Yeah, because you want to see who willcrack when the shit hits the fan. We’re hunting.We’re route war.You want to know who’s going to crack and who’sgoing to be able to stand tall or whatever.I think that’s funny. I know.This is why it’s like endearing.I don’t know about you guys, but when I was younger, whenI start to become more secure, if I hung out with agroup of guys and if they would do like, they would playa prank on me or call me a nickname, you could tellwhen they’re doing it bullying or when they’re joking.But when they were doing it, it was almostlike, oh, cool, I’m accepted in the group.Now I have a terrible nickname.Yeah, 100%. Who’s the best?There’s always the guy that has mean spirited behind.You can tell the difference.And then you know what you’re dealing with too.It’s like, okay, this is the guy that’sjust the guy that wants to hurt people.He always gets ostracized anyways.It’s just like he’s also the one that can’t take mean.Jordan Pearson talks about you can’t you can’trule the group and be like, this tyrantbecause eventually everybody will come and overthrow you.So it’s like, even if you’re going to know, making funof or poking and prodding at each other, if you doit in a mean spirited way, eventually you get overthrown.I’ve been wrestling with this because this is kindof where Ethan’s at because he’s a Know, andhe’s like, going through this with his friends andmaking fun of each other and this and that.And I’m like in the kind of describingwhat we’re just talking about whether or notmean spirited or if it’s semi funny.I’ve been kind of, like, stepping back myself.I’ve been like, dude, I’vebeen pretty short fuse lately.And I’m like, what the fuck is going on with me?Even the last podcast we did, I felt alittle like yeah, you had been a little honestly,when I was delivering that story, I wasn’t chastisingEthan or anything about having her ankle or anything,and I’m not shaming him for that.But it felt like I was, like,a little hard on him for that.And then too, I’ve just been snappy.And with Courtney and I got into Know last nightand all of a sudden, like, dude, like, is itthe lack of I am such like an angry person.He actually brought up avery interesting point, though.I believe that there’s something about cheesethat actually interacts with the opiate receptors,but that’s all pelvic bro.And he takes enough of it in that it’slike maybe a small dose withdrawal or something.Maybe his.But I mean, I talked to Salbit too.There’s more sleep.There it is right there.That’s more likely, but honestly, I’m stilltrying to taste lack of cheese.I try to make drugs on him.You’re like, well, maybe we shouldlook at some other things.I’m like, yeah, bro, just take some of this.I was like, I like, Adams,he’s going to have cheese capsules.Yeah, you got to weed yourself. You crate him, bro.I got it for you.He’s going to the doctor.He’s like, Listen, doc, I stoppedcheese, but I’m doing heroin. I’m angry now. Yeah.So I probably should have it, right? Right?No, it’s little heroin.It’s because you’ve had crappy sleep for, like, weeks.I know I have.Yeah, crappy sleep will make you it showsup for me, and it’s not obvious becauselack of sleep, usually you’re like fatigue.Your brain fog.It’s visible signs of, like, I don’t have energy.But for me, you’re of bury it, and then it becomeslike this irritation that just comes out in weird places.I have lived this for the last three years.My wife is a different person. Everybody is, right?But she’s bear the brunt of the lack of sleep in the. WWW.ARMINIC.COM Family because she’s with the kids.She’s a completely different person with lack of sleep.She’s aware of it. I’m aware of it.It’s just anybody, right?When I get a lack of sleep,I also become very aware I’m short.I’m more forgetful than normal, morelikely to feel depressed or negative. It’s terrible.It’s fucking terrible.And the problem is you can get away with kind oflike a little bit of shitty sleep for a while.So you think you’re okay.I’ll just add the caffeine.I’ll do a little this, I’ll get that.Make myself like, I can operate at work.I guess I’m fine. No, man.Well, it’s like it just makes you an ass too.It’s like I don’t have an excuse.It’s a random thing.It’s kind of like it got thrown inthe mix and I wasn’t ready for it.And then it just was like, it’s going to be temporary.And it’s just kind of like it’s not goingto be like this for very much longer.And it just keeps extending itself.And the worst part for me is that Courtney handlesit like a champ, and she’s just very level headed.Yeah, she’s tired and yawns and whatnot,but doesn’t get like I get itcompiles slowly, and then it gets worse.And then I feel myself, like, just getting angry.Do you think that’s because ofher training, you’re just an asshole?You think that I have thought that there’sonly one natural asshole in the room.Maybe Adam just gets the least sleep out of all.Listen, I’m going to that’s probably what it is, bro.We always joke around, moody, whatever.You have the worst sleep consistently. Always.Not always.It gets better and worse, but chronically.I can’t argue with you right now because that’s happening tome right now, but it happens on I feel like yougot to worry about more things, but it just happens onits own more often is what I mean.Like, you don’t have interruptions asmuch as you just can’t sleep.Yeah, definitely.I’m notorious for I don’t know.I think Doug would be up there with me too.I think one of our cursesis thinking about business at night.That is the worst.And it’s like so okay.It’s such a hard thing too, becauseI also recognize the strength in it. Right.When I’m by myself laying in bed at10:00 at night, everybody else is asleep.I’m deep in my thought, and numbers are flying throughmy head, thinking six months out is everything is comingtogether for me, and I know it’s the most now.You know it’s not a business thing, though, right?You know that it’s a natural behavior, and you willpick the things that you’re most into or concerned about.So for someone, it could be their kids, someone else,it could be fear about what’s happening in the world.You obviously run the business.You love it so that’s whereyour thoughts are going to go.But there’s something else that’s deeper as to why you can’tlet go of the world and then kind of fall into.Yeah, but my point of that is I don’t know ifI would want to I don’t know if I would wantto sacrifice the letting go, because my point is, some ofthe best work gets done at that time.So it’s like, okay, let’s say whereyou’re alluding is like you’re some deeprooted childhood thing that you uncover.Let’s just say that. Let’s play that game.Let’s go down that, like, gotsomething that is related to that.We uncover it. I solve it.Now I sleep like a baby.I’m out by 09:00.And then I don’t think about the business everagain from nine to midnight, when some of mybest work is done at that time.So it’s like, I don’t know.Yeah, I don’t know. Let’s put this way.My sleep ain’t that bad to whereI would sacrifice that right now.Maybe if it was chronically crippling me and I was notable I wonder how used to it you are too.My sleep score on my or and stuff like that.Other than this last it’s beengood ever since the sleep. Eight.That thing is I know Tay’s not a commercial for them, butlet me tell you, that thing has been yeah, I know.Game changer. Yeah.Well, I think healthy you is typically better you.But there is something to be saidabout the innovative state of mind.Innovative state of mind and inspiration often comesfrom stress or outside the norm or whatever.So you’ll see people who willinnovate more when they’re fasted orwhen they’re going through stressful situations.So there is some truth to what you’re saying.I think if you were to open up my iPhone notes,which is where I keep most of my stuff, right?It’s me reaching over at middle of the night withmy thing all dark and writing down my thought.I mean, it’s crazy, bro.I mean, I have thousands and thousands of notesin there from just being deep in thought andyes, would it be what happens at night forme, too, is like, real quick note.Just have to put it down, forget it.And then you write a thorough note, or do you justput, like, a word and then you’re confused the next day,you look at it and you’re I’ve made that mistake.Depends if I’m high or not. Ketchup?What the fuck is Ketchup?I’ve made the mistake of like, oh, I’ll just put a coupleof things so I don’t get in even deeper in thought.And then that defucks me because thenI’m like, Fuck, what does that mean?I know that where’s the content really important.It’s a note to yourself.Yes, smart me was trying to tell me something.No, dumb me.And I’ve absolutely done that before whereI try not to write a lot.I’m like, I’m just going to write a coupleof words that’ll remind me and then the nextmorning comes and through after dreams and other stuff.Oh, fuck.I know this is important.I just can’t connect it.Hey, speaking of, like deep rooted, I said I didanother Ketamine session, so I took a couple of weeksoff because of the move and all that stuff.So I did another session last night.That is remarkable.So yesterday I did another session andthey’re all a little different, right.Sometimes you have these big breakthroughs whileyou’re doing it, other times it’s likeafterwards or just changes your mindset.I talked about earlier how it dramatically improvesneuroplasticity, so it allows you to kind ofrewire patterns and stuff like that.Here’s the weird thing that it’s happened to mea few times with it, I will literally havea vivid memory that I forgot, and I’ll havethe memory and be like, oh yeah.Now, it’s typically a memory thatI think I wanted to forget. Right.So it’s something like I don’t want to think about.So you kind of like block it out, prune it off.Yeah, but I had a memory of whenI was I must have been three.No way.And it’s not that I forgot it. I remembered it.I just didn’t want to think about it.I didn’t think about it pulling stuff up from three.Yeah, it must have been becauseit was in the first house.Now, okay, how do you distinguish right now?Well, no, I know you could figure out theage by the things your house this or that. Sure.But how do you distinguish right now?Because one of the things my sister and I weretalking about this before, about memories of my dad.Right, because oh, you want she was saying memory.Well, no, and one of the things that we golike, man, I have so few memories of dad.And what I can’t even distinguish now is if that was amemory or that’s something that’s a story someone else told me abouta time or maybe a video you saw of that.You know what I’m saying?So how do you distinguish when you’re having thesethat’s not like something that your parents told you.So this is a memory that I remembered fora long time when I was a kid.And I think I didn’t want to think aboutit for a while, but it’s very clear.I remembered the experience, is what Ishould say, because I was in it.I remembered the experience of it, butI know what you’re talking about.I’ve done that before, where I’ll tell a story tosomeone and then I’ll be like, wait a minute. Yeah.Did I make up this story and then tell it so many times?I think it’s true.You ever do that?Oh, yeah, I remember telling this story when I was youngwith my brother, and we met this kid and he basicallywas trying to be cool and show us his knife.And so he pulls his knife out and in my memoryI was so scared because I was unexpected, he pulls itout like this, that my memory told me that he pulledhis knife out and was trying to hurt us with it.And he was just trying to becool and show us the knife.And my brother had to tell me,no, this is how it actually went.Because I was younger than my brother, two years,and so it was just like stuff like thathappened to me all the time, though.I had a story I made up where Ibeat up these guys and I was like, tough.And I told my friends forever, I told kidsforever this story that it got to the pointwhere I was like, you believe classic, bro?Because you tell for so long.And then as an adult I look backand I’m like, I made that shit up.I was watching a kung fu movie. I never have it.I just said that to sound cool.Well, I’ve had ones where I’m telling a story about amemory I had of a Christmas when my dad was stillalive, of like, oh, I got a desk and there wasthis bike and then he came in and then I’ll watchall of a sudden it’s a video.And you remembered the video.And I’m like, oh God, did I just at nineor did that like at twelve I watched that video.So it actually happened, but youdon’t remember the full thing. That’s right. I know.Am I actually remembering that moment of being there oram I remembering watching the video that I saw?You get what I’m saying? Yeah.And so there’s a lot of stuff like that.Oh, yeah, there’s lots of studies on this.There’s lots of studies on this and they’ll show howyou can implant things into memories and stuff like that.But this was interesting because I remember. WWW.ARMINIC.COM A couple of things with the Ketamine Therapy isthat I’ll remember something occasionally, and then I’ll rememberthe experience, and then I’ll realize that I eitherdownplayed the experience or I thought of the experienceas being something else than it was.So on and so forth, so loosely.There was an experience I had with my dad, and Ithought he was ashamed of me, but the reality was hewas frustrated because he didn’t know how to connect with me.And I clearly saw it.Now, looking back, that was interesting.But this is another interesting one where I remember Iwas sitting in a high chair in our old house,and my parents are just going at it.And the reason why I remembered this inthere was because I have this mode.You guys know this.No matter what’s happening in my life, I couldturn off whatever’s happening and just go into adifferent mode very easily, very easy for me.I learned how to do that as akid because when you’re little and your parentsare whatever going, you’re fighting young each other.My parents were really young when they had methat I learned how to shut it off.Yeah, interesting.Not react just like, whatever, shut it off.And it was such a learned strategy that it becamemy second nature to the point where I now haveto learn how to access feelings I can identify.Okay, so this brings up a really coolquestion then, very similar to what I wasjust talking about with my sleep.When you talk to the therapist afterwards and you’reworking through this, how do you reconcile knowing thatthat’s also been a superpower of yours?And so it’s like, okay, I recognize where it could alsodisconnect me from my partner or my kids and how Ineed to get better at that and stuff like that.But then I also recognize that you’re also the guywho I’ve watched have drama or traumatic stuff going onand then walk in and crush an interview.Yeah, that superpower comes from that.So how do you reconcile that?Yeah, I don’t think I’ll lose that ability,but I think I’m aware of it now.And that here’s the difference.There’s a difference when it’s operating on its own versus I knowhow to grab it and use it when I need it.There’s a big difference.Okay, so this now goes back tohow I used to use cannabis, right?So I’m very aware of when I’m in deep in thought andI’m laying in bed and I want to be here because thisis like I’m having really good thoughts around the vision of thebusiness, and it’s like, oh, this is going to play out likethis, and I don’t want to leave that space.Then I have other times like last week was for me likethis, where it’s like I’ve got this anxiety or angst or whateverexcitement that got going on, and I can’t get out of myhead, and I don’t want to be in my head, where thisis where I would take a couple of hits.So now imagine if you knew how numb it.Imagine if you had a better grasp of being ableto go into something and come out of it andaware of how to do that when it becomes yournatural operating system, it’s hard to turn off.For me, I can be in a stressful situation.Well, obviously, and I don’t show it.Literally, I’ll be in a stressful, andit doesn’t show on my physical body.I can now identify what’s happening.Like, oh, my mouth is dry.Oh, I feel this feeling.I get this weird feeling in my feet and my legs.Oh, I am under stress or overwhelmed or Iam being bothered right now, and it’s not showing.Now, why is it important for me to identify this?Because let’s say you’re my partner.Let’s say you’re my wife, and I’m telling her,hey, this is really bothering me right now.She hears my words.She doesn’t believe me.She can’t she can’t feel itlike, you don’t look like you’re.When I tell her I’m stressedout, she doesn’t believe me.I know you’re saying it, but itdoesn’t seem like it like, you’re out.You totally seem totally normal. I’m like no, I am.She’s like, I don’t believe you.So it makes it hard to connect.It makes it hard to and also, by the way,for me personally, if I can’t grab on to orfeel or allow myself to feel negative things, that meansI’m also blunted on the good stuff.You only go as deep what do they say?A tree will only grow as tall as its roots aredeep as wide, or one of those, something like that.Right.So anyway, it was just really interesting.Now, does that mean it’s all fixed or whatever?No, but I’m aware.So now I can kind of go in and kindof try to hug you before everybody no, definitely not.Yeah, I’m still not there. Good. Yeah.So, I mean, interesting because I feel likeyou’re at the awareness phase, which I believeI’m very aware of what I just explained.The question would be, whatdoes the practice look like?And obviously, I’ve used something to medicate thatto get me out of those states.And really, why?Of course, I go back to, I told you the cannabis pullingoff had more to do with my son than anything else.But then also, the personal side of it is like,well, I also got in the habit of, like, Ilike it so much that it became more regular thanit needed to be versus using it when I’m like,oh, here’s a moment where here’s what’s cool. Right?So as I’m talking about these things and figuringthese things out, like, oh, it’s an automatic process.Oh, it’s not something I can control.It’s my default.Here’s what I love about what we do.What we do translates to everything.When you see somebody with a movement pattern, arecruitment pattern that they’ve learned the only way theycould getting a new automatic recruitment pattern is tofirst consciously train a new one. It’s work.So you get someone whose shouldersroll forward when they row. Yeah.You can’t just tell them, pull your shouldersback, they’re going to hike their shoulder.You know this we’ve done this many times.So you have to put them in position.They have to train it, strengthenit, develop this new default pattern,and then eventually becomes her automatic.But at first I have to say, now you’rehighlighting a really good point, because here’s the awareness.Plus the new pattern that we’ve tried tocreate in when situations like this so whenthere’s a time when Katrina claims that I’mthinking so loud, it’s keeping her awake, right?She’ll be like, I can’t sleep. I can hear you.And I’m like, I’m not fucking moving.How’s that possible?I can literally feel your thoughts.That’s how weird this is, how crazy this is. Right?She used to do this a lot.We haven’t done this in a long time, butshe used to get up and box breathe withme and we would box totally together. Totally.To calm me all the way down.Get the physical part down so thatyour body’s like, we can chill. Yes.She’s probably picking up a lot of yourbody signals, though, because she did a lotof body work with people, right? Yeah.I mean, she’s not even touching me, bro.This is like us laying in bed.She’s hyper aware of the cues that youcan’t even consciously when you notice something tense.But you can’t put your finger on some peoplejust yeah, they have that she has that gift. Right.That’s also one of her gifts. Very intuitive.Yeah, that’s one of the things I’ve always beenattracted to her, is that she has that right.The thing I like to think that we shareis this ability to be able to do that.What’s wild is that she can do it on alevel that’d be like eyes closed, 10:00 at night.I’ve been laying there for an hourand nothing has been said or movement.And then she’ll out of nowhere be like, Stop it.Leave me alone, dude. I need to bring something.I need to change directions here becauseI need to bring this up.My position on a topic has become a little bitmore it’s been strengthened and maybe a little more extreme.I think electrolyte supplementationis necessary for athletes.I don’t think it’s an option anymore.I think it’s necessary.I’ve had enough experiences now with LMNT, withfamily members, friends, their kids, adults, people whodo jiu jitsu, soccer, basketball, whatever.Back that up for sure.Everything I’ve seen every single one of them.Profound difference when they useelectrolytes versus when they don’t.No change in diet. Athletes. Yeah. Yes.So why I find that really interesting, right, and hardto believe is the amount of sodium that is inprocessed foods, which is 90% of most Americans diets.You would think that they are getting an overwhelmingamount of that, even if you’re an athlete.So what is it? Good question.So I don’t think it’s the over total all. Excuse me?The overall, the other minerals, total sodium.I think it has more to do with thesupplementing, the electrolytes, when they’re being excreted, and itallows for the balancing to happen faster.So they’re not taking LMNT during the day,and then tomorrow they go do their sport.Everybody I’m talking about it’s like before enduring.Got it.If you’re going to sweat before enduring. Got it.Every single demand of that physical exertion. Bro.Literally, the messages.I’m getting cramps, headaches.So my buddy does jujitsu. He’s a jiu jitsu.He’s going to compete soon, right?And he’s like, oh, here’sthe symptoms I’m suffering from.What do you think is happening?So fatigue, his muscles are not feeling good.He’s not recovering fast enough said,here’s something easy you could try.I said, stop by the studio.I’ll give you a box of Elementee.Let me know what you think. He’s like, what is that?I’m like, It’s electrolytes,sodium, magnesium, potassium. Try it.Let here’s what you think.Literally, the text I got, what’s in that?That’s what I got.I’m like, what do you mean?I thought something happened. He goes, bro.He goes, I took it for two days.When I trained, I felt profoundly better.More stamina, more endurance. I was stronger. WWW.ARMINIC.COM I just felt really good.Then I didn’t take it, felt crap again.Then I started taking it. I feel amazing.He goes, what’s in that?There’s got to be other stuff in there.I said, no, literally, what Itold you, sodium, potassium and magnesium.And it’s a decent amount of sodium.Do you think there’s something potentiallythere also with the magnesium?Of course, considering that 60 plus percentof United States is deficient on magnesium,I wouldn’t use LMNT as magnesium supplement.But you want to have some potassium, magnesiumto allow the sodium to do its job. That’s what you want.So it’s balanced in that sense,but it’s not a magnesium supplement. Okay.So does that have to do with the transportation of it?Yes. Okay.Well, that’s how sodium works in the body.That makes a lot of sense then, to me,because although the American diet is tons of processedfood, tons of sodium, it probably doesn’t have aperfect balance of sodium to magnesium.And so even though you’re getting all this fuckingsodium, it’s high in sodium, and that’s not theideal way to transport it into your body.You’re now taking the most optimal way to dothat right before you go into a session, evenif you are getting all this processed crap.And so that’s why maybe everybody isfeeling such yeah, the average American, becauseit’s obvious to me the dieter. Right.The health nut who is eating all whole foods.That’s very obvious to me becausesodium, that’s a substantial difference. Right, right.That’s what we’ve felt.Or low carb. Yeah.But I’ve seen the same thing with all theathletes I’ve worked with and have tried LMNT.It’s just like, because of that demandand that high exertion, all levels ofthat have improved when they use it. Yeah.So for athletes, let’s say it’s anathlete who eats a normal diet, okay?So their sodium intake isn’t low, like someonewho eats whole foods only, or low carb,where you actually need it’s not that theirtotal sodium is deficient and they need more.It’s that when they’re sweating their ass offplaying their sport, it’s the timing of it.Your body will take some time to balance itself out.It’ll take longer if you don’t have the sodiumreadily available, like you would with an electrolyte powder.So this he’s drinking.So literally, I told him, drink half before, drinkthe other half during, and it’s night and day.And that’s like the, I don’t know, 10thperson that I know that’s reported that.And none of them are, like, eating, like, a perfectno, I’ve had nothing but positive stuff from everybody.I’ve given that out to people totally, a lot.Just because it’s simply I thought you were goingto say something about the ketamine thing, because Ifeel like you should address the crazy long letterthat we got from somebody that was so offendedby you talking what that it’s expensive.No, not that one.We got that one, too.No, literally saying you’re not talkingabout the potential harmful stuff.And the fact that Sal’s promoting Ketamine on there.I thought it was really funny thatwe had somebody that’s my personal experience.This is the part that I thinkis hilarious about a platform like this.It’s like, you want so bad to have a bunchof guys be as raw and honest and authentic asyou possibly can, but then, heaven forbid, they share thatthey’re going through something in their life that might havesome controversy around it or uncertainty around it, or scaryfor someone like, what the fuck?You can’t have both.Why would I ever do that?You can’t have both.You’re not me.Yeah, no potential harms.I’m doing this all supervised.This is not long term.You don’t do it forever.Ketamine has been around for a long time.That’s why it was one of the first onesin the category to be approved for the use.But, yeah, it’s not natural.I would love to be able to dothis naturally, but it might take me years.It might take me five years, ten years.Look, I don’t suffer from treatment resistant depression or PTSD,so, yeah, maybe I have the luxury of doing this,and it’s cool and all, but if you have treatmentresistant depression or PTSD, oftentimes nothing works, or you’re goingto live for years are very slim. Come on.It’s a quality of life thing. That’s it.Which I also think addresses that other email thatyou were just saying, is the one that someonegot all upset because it was expensive. Sure.I don’t think we’ve ever came on hereand claimed to be the cheapest anything.I think we’ve gone the opposite, actually.It’s like, I want the best of whatever thing Ican find, and if it’s the most expensive, I’m sorry.Hey, look, if you look atthe data, no affiliation, okay? Not selling anything.There’s no discount code or anything like that.But if you look at the data on depression treatments,the classic SSRI, whatever, and then you look at whatthey’re doing with Ketamine and how it’s working for someof these people, the Ketamine people will do treatment fora few months and then not take it for ayear or two, and it’ll stick around.SSRI, yeah, it’s cheaper in theshort term, but guess what?You stay on that shit forever.So do the math.If it works as advertised, you’re saving money.I mean, I really don’t givea shit what someone else thinks.As my friend, I would want to hear about it.You know what I’m saying?If you’re going through that process, I respectyou as somebody who’s well read, intelligent, doingyour homework, like you’re out just experimenting withdrugs all over the place. You know what I’m saying?Like looking for sleep.You’re looking for a good high or something like that.It’s like, listen, you’re trying todo deep therapy work on yourself.You’ve tried a lot of differentthings that you’re having profound effects. I’m curious.Like, I want to selfishly know. So fuck.We have a shout out.Oh, is this to Dr. Khan? Yeah. Hook up. Dr. Khan.What a cool one, dude. And experience. Brilliant.What a great young scientist doctor.Groundbreaking medicine. He’s doing.Yeah, he’s doing rejuvenation.Are we allowed to talk aboutwho he’s we could say that. I don’t know.You wait for the episode for them to hear that.But he’s definitely doing some big things. Yeah.What’s his instagram? Is it Dr.Akhan? Is that what that is? Correct.And he’s blowing up right now. I know. Really?Let me put it this way.We talked to him.Just find him and follow him.We can’t say much because we havean episode with him coming out.Genuine good dude too.Blew my mind.Like, totally blew my mind.Some of the stuff that he said.Yeah, we all had dinner afterwards and it wasjust literally everybody taking turns picking his brain.Dude is absolutely brilliant.And it’s a funny side note.He at one point was ranked the numberone Halo player in the world on Xbox.Just a little icing there.Yeah, hilarious.I thought that was really funny.That was around the time when Iwas gaming, I dropped my gamer. Recognize him?I took that picture. He heard of him.I sent him the picture. He didn’t recognize him.Then I told him his game name and he’slike, oh, yeah, I have heard of him.By the way, his gaming.I love how he talked about how being the world’sbest Halo player helps him with his treatments now.So the way he does treatments now, some of therapy,the more accurate you can inject a needle and thecloser you can get to the area that needs tobe treated, the more effective you’re going to be.So he’s watching an MRI machinewhile he’s moving a needle around.And everybody’s competing with himself.Everybody’s like, nobody has hands like this guy.And he’s like, I learned it from playing Halo.That’s like that grand tourismo movie.Did you guys watch that yet? No.It’s actually really good. True story, right? Yeah.Have you guys seen it yet?Oh, it’s worth the watch.It was actually really entertaining.I really enjoyed it.Katrina and I watched it the other night. 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Check them out.Go to interaskincare.com that’s en tera skincare.com MPM and thenuse the code MPM for 10% off your order.All right, back to the show.First question is from Mohammed, the one onedoes heavy deadlifting on a pole day grow?Forearms or biceps?Oh, controversial.Do deadlifts make your arms bigger?It’s not a direct arm exercise.But he said pole day. Confused?Yeah, but let’s talk about the data. Right?The data shows that heavy isometrics recruitthe most amount of muscle fibers.Heavy isometrics can build muscle and strength.Also muscles that are put under tensionin a stretch position or elongated position,that is the best position for hypertrophy.Now, all ranges of motion build muscle, but lengthenedin comparison to like mid range or contracted isgoing to build the most amount of muscle.And there’s also load, right?Just the sheer load that the CNS has to manage. WWW.ARMINIC.COM Image sends a muscle building signal.So look at the deadlift crazy isometrictension in the biceps and the forearms.In fact, if you’ve never deadlifted, themost demand you’re going to get totally.And if you’ve never deadlifted and you go deadlift heavybecause you’re relatively strong in your hips and legs andall stuff, you’ll find your biceps are sore the nextday or your brachialis will be sore the next day.So heavy isometric check is in a lengthenedposition, your bicep is in lengthened position.Check and then load.Find me an exercise you could load more than deadlift.So controversial, but I’ll say, yeah, you will build.Well, no, the hypertrophy nerds are going to arguebecause everything revolves around bicep curls and that’s theonly way you can build and develop your biceps.But there’s plenty of studies out there forisometrics just exactly the way you’re describing it.And this is placing the most amount ofload you can possibly place on your forearmand bicep with that in mind.It being an isometric controlled stabilized position that you’refixated in with those, but there’s other ways totrain them and all of it is beneficial.So it’s not just the onething that we’re talking about here.So just that’s for all the haters, weall are going to go the same.It’s so funny, I thought I was going to bethe only one to jump all over the idiots.So I know this is going to pissoff all the science nerds you went after.Hypertrophy bodybuilder Jordan.I’m going to go after all the sciencenurses that live in a six to twelveweek study bubble or only know how toutstudies they read versus like, real world experience.My whole life I’ve been lifting and as a like, armsand forearms were like such a big deal to me.And I did every forearm magazine supersetworkout exercise you could think of.The strongest and biggest my forearms ever got was whenI wasn’t giving two shits about them, but all Iwas doing was trying to catch sal on the deadlift.That was the biggest and strongest my forearms haveever not even close to when I was cycling.Like hitting them two to three timesa week and doing all these coolexercises that I would reverse curls everything.Nothing got them strong when I didn’t evencare about getting my forearms stronger or bigger.But I was so focused on getting strongat the deadlift they came up that much.That’s how impactful it’s been for me. That’s right.What happens with the question like this?Is there’s this false?Like this question is pretty direct.What they’re not asking is, are deadliftsbetter than curls for the biceps? Right?It’s not an either or.No, it’s a hey.Does heavy deadlifting have a hypertrophyeffect on the forearms and biceps?Yes, absolutely.Are they involved in stabilizing?Is there tremendous tension on those muscles?And then like I said, with the bicep in particular,it’s in a lengthened position if I stop deadlifting.So I love deadlifting, but sometimes I’ll go for acouple of months without doing it and I’ll work oncorrectional exercise or other things because I can.Deadlift pretty heavy even whenI don’t do it consistently.And I’ll get little nagging injuriesand pains that will pop up.And so now that I’m wiser and older, I’ll be like,I’m going to back off on deadlifting for a while.I’m going to work on these where Inotice these issues and then I’ll go backto deadlifting, see if I feel better.And I’ve done that now five orsix times over the last few years.Every time I go back to deadlifting, I’m still pretty.I could always pull five plates no matter what.So I’ll go pull five plates.You know where I got sore? My biceps.I’ll feel it here at the insertion or mybrachialis, just from the tension of holding the bar.So yeah, it’s definitely doing something, but it’s notan either or, it’s a plus or an.And the question is really, does deadlifting and doingarm exercises better than just doing arm exercise?The answer is yeah.I think the point though that I think is important,this is how much my also training has changed again.Arms were such a focus when I was a kid.I used to just train arms and if Iever fell off the wagon for a week ortwo, came back, what did I start with? Arms.Never missed arm day, but I missedleg day, I missed chest day.I missed all these other days all the timebecause I cared so much about building my arms.The way I train is completely different.I rarely ever train my arms.What I will go do is go dosome pull ups, go do some deadlifts.I’ll do something like that because what Iknow is that movement is so beneficial foroverall muscle on my body and your arms.And I’m hitting my arms still.So it’s like just my philosophy around training.I’m always looking like if I’m only going to go in anddo a few things in the past that would be arms.I would do a whole arm workout for a halfhour if that was all I would do, that wouldn’tbe the last thing on the totem pole.Now it’s like I’m going to go in and do deadlifting orpull ups or these big movements that I get to develop.My back and my forearms andmy biceps all in one exercise. It just makes more sense.Speaking of which, the other day I saw adude working out, jack, well developed, and he wasdoing the pull down version that we talked aboutas a bicep pull down version, a compound lift.I saw him, he had his wrists like this andhe pulled down but he had this kind of like,rounded position because he was focusing on the bicep.Bicep? Yeah.And I’m like, oh, and he’s very well developed.Obviously he knows what he’s doing.It’s not like he has bad pull down technique.And then I went and saw himdo other exercises for his biceps.I’m like, oh, he’s doing pull downs for biceps.He gets it. I never saw that. I love that.Next question is from Jonathan Sash.What certifications did you all start with aspersonal trainers and did you feel like theyhelped prepare you to be a personal trainer?All right, this again, another controversial answer.The certification that actually had the most benefitfor me and my career as a trainerwas the correctional exercise courses that I took.There was this huge carryover into what I dowith my clients and value that I brought them.Now, I’m going to be honest, I hateto say this, but I don’t know.Most, if not all, the certifications, aside from the onesI just talked about, didn’t really do much for mein terms of my success or my client success, exceptfor making me feel a little bit more confident.Most of the value or success I gotas a trainer came from learning through experience.And here’s the second one.This is the big one, learning fromother, better, more experienced trainers and coaches.Like, the certifications didn’t do much forme except for the correctional exercise ones.They were kind of a waste of time.I needed to get them or I’d get paid morefor getting them, or I’d have trainers go through them,so I’d want to go through them, but I didn’tlearn a whole lot from them that I could applythat would brought value to people.Yeah, I have a pretty similar experience with that.I mean, I liked NASM as a good baseline, butit really was just touching up on anatomy, physiology termsand biomechanics on a very surface level, which know, Iwent to college and studied all that.So it was just like, oh, cool, a nice littlerefresher to kind of get me in the mindset ofhow to communicate this now to an average person.But in terms of beyond that, for me, itwas always like picking the brains of qualified trainersand what they were doing with their clients.And then sometimes I would go, really?It was like the unconventional, the ones Ihad to go in person to go throughthe actual mechanics, like kettlebell training.And when I learned Indian clubs and different typesof tools that you physically need to be ableto go through the right patterns and get taught.And that way it was easier for me to then incorporateit and program it in and show clients and have confidenceon how to kind of take them through those movements.But for me, it was all about taking bitsand pieces of a lot of concepts and modalitiesout there, which is I could get a lotof that from communicating with really good trainers andwatching them apply it to their clients.As much as I actually shit on the formal educationstuff, I actually got quite a bit of stuff.I went through eight different nationalcertifications during my entire career.I don’t even know if I could list all ofthem, but I do know there’s some that stand outto me that I think taught me different things.IFPA was my first one, that was prettymuch a joke, but it got me introduced.NASM, I think was one of the most well rounded first.Taught me the squat assessment really well.Corrective exercise specialist, hands down. I agree.I think we would all probably put thatup as probably one of the best.And I never took Ken stretch or whatis Kelly Starrett, did he do one?I can’t remember his supple leopard stuff.I didn’t get that till way later.I would probably push somebody inKen Stretch and Supple Leopard directionnow, even instead of corrective exercise.But corrective exercise specialist was what wasaround when we got in there.The sports performance specialist that I got throughNISM, I thought that was really valuable becausethat introduced me to sports training.Nesta was the first certification that reallyopened my eyes to like, oh wow,there’s some really conflicting views on it.They were the first ones that. WWW.ARMINIC.COM Discuss deeper squats, like astigrass squats.And for a national certification.That was really weird.And it really kind of shattered my paradigm because Icame out of the already getting all these NASM.Let me call mine on that real quick.Sorry to cut you off.What’s funny about what you’re just talking about,it taught you a lot because it counteredthe other shit you learned from other certifications.Yes.How do you just through experience and throughtraining with other coaches who experience you wouldhave learned that right out the gate.Yeah, it was more ground baking becauseit countered the shit that you thought.I cherry picked a lot of it well, and Istarted to so part of the best benefits from havingall these certifications was starting to see that there wasdifferences in philosophy with NSEA on their nutritional component versuslike, an Ace or an Got.I got to experience so many that it openedmy eyes up more of like, oh, sure.This isn’t just so part of when youhear me talk about stuff like education.The reason why I kind of rag on itis because show me a certification that says this.I’ll show you another one that says the opposite.Because there’s so many gray areas when youget into biomechanics and nutrition on some things.And so I did get a lot ofvalue from having all those different certifications.Hands down.The best corrective exercise specialist secondprobably was even the foundational NSMfor having the squat assessment.I really attribute a lot to the nesta,to opening my eyes about a deeper squat.Some sort of like mobility training.Like Ken Stretch, I think would be a massive oneto have, even though I didn’t go through the formal.El Doe would be valuable too.That’s heavy and deep.But I mean, to set yourself aside andbe able to get traction with your spine.I think there’s stuff out there.I think there’s a lot of value.But again, to me, it was more of like, I’mgoing to extract what I can actually apply to myclients because I get the whole, like they have tolay out the whole philosophy, the modality there’s, the educationof the why behind all these concepts.And I think that you get a lot from that.But in terms of application of it, there’s fewcertifications out there that do a good job with,I think, you know, like your Joe DeFranco’s.Theirs is a fantastic just more of theseheavily focused on the application of like, nowtake this, apply it to your client.Here’s how you’re going to program it.And this is where it’s actuallygoing to reap benefit from it.Yeah, look, okay, here’s the deal.We all trained trainers, and they were successfulnot because of the training, knowledge, techniques thatwe taught them, but because we taught themthe culture, the proper culture, the proper philosophyof what makes a successful trainer.There’s a way of being and a way ofapproaching health and fitness that makes you successful.You need to have knowledge.So the whole debate around education knowledge,I feel like that’s a given.Like, yeah, you got to know stuff.If you don’t know stuff, that’s step one.You got to know stuff.But really what makes you successful is do youwalk this path in this way that makes yousuccessful and effective in a real, true way.And the only way I learned that through beingaround other successful trainers and coaches, not by themteaching me, but by me watching them, listening tothem, watching interactions, how they compose themselves, how theylived, the way that they said certain things thatI knew to be true.But it was the way that they said it, theway they had approached it that was so damn effective.It was literally like it’s this culture thatwhen you meet successful coaches and trainers, youcould take ten around the world who aresuccessful as defined by they’ve built a goodbusiness and their clients achieve forever success.They actually really modify, help clientsmodify behaviors that last forever.You take ten from around the world, put them in aroom, have them train clients, there’s going to be a lotof differences, but one thing is going to stay the same.They’re all going to have this similarapproach and philosophy and culture around howthey operate that nobody teaches. Nobody teaches.There’s no certification that teach that.There’s a reason we’re building whatwe’re building right now, right?We have had the opportunity to go spoiler alert.Well, I mean, come on.It’s been well overdue and Ithink it needs to be addressed.And 100%, this is the thought process to your point.For every trainer that you have that has afour year degree plus eight national certifications, I’ll showyou the kid who’s 19 years old, has nonational cert or one basic certification, and his businessis thriving compared to that one because he understandswhat I just said. That’s right.Just because you have a ton of that.Now, if you can take what is it about thatkid who has this thriving business and has minimal knowledgein the space and he’s thriving and he’s whooping theguy who’s got eight certifications and a degree, you couldtake what he’s doing, his ability to communicate so effectivelyand blend it with that person’s knowledge.Look the fuck yeah.Now you’re talking about now you’re class. That’s right.That’s world class. Now you’re talking about aworld class trainer right there.Now you’re talking about when you throw names aroundlike a Joe DeFranco and stuff like that.Somebody who has the knowledge to go round forround with some of the smartest people in thespace, but then communicate it to the simplest ofmind, understand and make it effective and implement it.And so quite frankly, this iswhere national certifications miss the mark.They do such a good job of going deepon anatomy, physiology, nutrition, the theory of everything.That’s right.And they give you the science behind everything.But it is not the most important part.Here’s the bottom line.A physicist can explain the physicsof a race car exceptionally well.What makes it fast, what makes it turn well, right?But can he race? What makes a rev?But he’s not going to be a race car driverin a race who’s been driving his whole life. That’s it.That’s it.You want to be an effective trainer, you gotto be the race car driver, not the physicist.That’s the fact.Now you combine the two, like you said, world class.Next question is from Josh J 93.What Maps programs are you guys currently following?Oh, I love this.You know, what I always so I’ll go throughgenerally follow loosely the programs that we put together.And I say loosely because I obviously individualize thembecause I know myself and all that stuff, right?But I always bounce back to the original full bodyMaps Anabolic style training, and I move outside of it.Like right now I’m doing a lot of lateral trainingand some more correctional work, but then when I feellike I’m good, I go back to that old threeday a week, full body days in between, maybe sometrigger sessions, maybe some mobility stuff.It’s always the best place for me in terms of progress.I always feel the best, I feel the strongest,and I can go outside of it to pushmy body harder, add more volume, do different things.That’s your homeostasis.But I get back in there and I’m like, thisis where I think we all have that, right?Yeah, we sort of have our preferences.I tend to fall back into morefunctional and more Maps performance type training.But I flirt around with your maps.Anabolic and maps. Power lift.And what I was doing a lot beforehand was theold time strength and was really getting into that andthen was realizing, oh my God, I ran the otherday and was like, Man, I am winded.And so all I’ve been doing the lastmonth and a half has been cardio.And so if you want to pick any of ours, it’sliterally modeled after a lot of what we put in Mapscardio with pushing the sled around and getting after it andget liner on my feet and working a lot more onmy forefoot conditioning is a big one for me right now.So I want to point out something that becausewe get this question every now and then, youboth, like, similar modeled after it’s important that theperson who’s asking this question and the people thattend to ask this question.You understand that the ultimate place to get is that youhave such a deep understanding and knowledge of programming as I’dlike to think that the three of us have.Well, we’re creating them. Yeah. Right.And this is my point.That’s why sometimes this question isa little funny to me. Right.It’s like, I like to think that everybody inhere is a black belt on program design, thatyou don’t have to follow this rigid structure everysingle day that you show up to workout.You understand the core principles of every single thing thatwe’ve written and where to apply them, when to applythem, based off of how you feel, what you’re thinking,what your goals are at that moment.And that could ebb and flow based offof where you’re currently at in your life. Yeah.What you’re saying is this is why it’s so important,because people also say, well, what do you eat?Okay, what I do for myselfprobably has zero that’s right. Application for you.Now, if you’re doing it outof curiosity, that’s totally fine. Okay.But if you’re listening to it and being like, I’mgoing to follow that because that’s what they do.That’s like zero application.And I know it’s in our best interest tosay things like, I’m following this to the T. It. WWW.ARMINIC.COM So I’m selling our program all the time.But the reality is that’s not how just like,I don’t follow a rigid diet all the time.And that also means I would never teachmy client to do exactly what I’m doing.I don’t expect them I just wear the T shirt.I don’t expect them to be.But that’s our goal of this podcast and writing allthese programs is to be able to give that toall of you, is for you to be able toexperience these program, to listen to this show, to beable to get in and to where you understand atthat level that you don’t have to follow.As bad as that sounds for our business.So you don’t have to follow one of our programs, butyou understand it at that level that you know how toEB and flow, that now, there’s a lot of cocky, arrogantpeople that think they know at that level that probably shouldfollow it to a T until they get that understanding ofhow to model it around their life.But the only times I really follow ourprogress, too, is when we create them.There is a to test them out.To test them out.Then I want to run through phases exciting. Yeah.And be like, hey, and give feedback to the guys.Like, that was a little much.We probably shouldn’t have added that.With that, I felt this going on.So we’ll make little adjustments like that.And that’s why the process of building aprogram for us is a big process.It’s not simply like, hey, let’s throw a bunchof exercise together and call it Maps Performance andwe’ll throw some cardio shit in there.It’s not like that.It’s like there’s a lot of thoughtthat goes into it and testing.But as far as, like, followinga rigid program, I don’t know.I think Doug is the only one that does that.Yeah, I’m not a black belt.Yeah, he’s the least experienced.Although you’re going to be there soon.I would give you another whatare you running right now, Doug?Maps 15 minutes advanced.So I’m in phase three right now,and I’m actually loving the program.So I’ve gone through Anabolic probably 20 plus times.That’s the one you always bounce back.I always bounce back to that.So I usually do programs in between,whether it’s aesthetic or strong or symmetry.Some of the ones I’ve done recently.But I always go back to Anabolic.But after this last round of working out,I was feeling it in my body.I was feeling a little bit tired, so I thought,well, Maps 15 minutes would be perfect for me.So this is what I look like the most.If I were to say, because youguys all gave things that you’re close.Maps 15 is how I’m training mostout of Maps Five right now. Yeah.I’ll tell you why I lovemaps 15 advanced three minute ABS.That’s annoying because you look like you’re doingMaps 45, Maps Five all that muscle memoryor whatever the hell it is. I don’t know.Yeah, it’s most change.I tell you what, since you went that way, Doug, Ihave really enjoyed map 15 actually is probably the least likeanything I would have trained most of my life.And I find that I get farmore benefits than I would have expected.It’s surprising.It’s very surprising. Super surprising. Very surprising.I got stronger and I really enjoythe freedom of training in such either.And what I do is I go sometimes it’s a 15minutes workout, sometimes I combine two fifteen s to a thirty.That’s what it looks like.So if I have a three day a week whereI only train three days a week, I’ve probably combinedsome of the 15 minutes to a 30 minutes.If I stretch it out for six days,I’ve broke it up in 15 minutes.So I’m doing the advanced, whichis about 20 minutes of workout. I love that.I mean, it’s in and out real quick. You feel good.And I realized I was maybe overwere doing it a little bit.After so many months of following all theprograms and pulling back, I feel great.I feel like I kind of grew up withthe more is better mentality and realizing that maybeless is better for me at this.One last point to make because I just want to drillthis home because we do get this so much is nowif I were to say, I’m going to go compete orI’m going to go like, I’m very serious.I’ve got to build a bunch of muscle, Iprobably would default to following one of our programs.So I have a structure to measure, to track, toget like but then you would still modify you.Yeah, but I would be way more likeI’m following this because it’s that important.It’s just not that important to me right now.I really don’t care if 0.3% less muscle gotbuilt this week or I didn’t lose enough.I’m not there in my life.I’m in a place in my life where I want to behealthy, I want to be fit, strong, I want to be mobile.But I don’t need to be the fittest, the strongest, themost mobile, just those are good life you want to have.Yeah, I want balance, you know what I’m saying?And I want to spend the least amount of timeworking out as I can to maintain all those things.Yeah, you said something.I think you just put it out there.Like literally, our goal with the Maps programsis to eventually actually have people not followany programs and be able to train themselves. Yes.So our goal is literally to you are at one withyour fitness to create customers that are no longer customers.I’ve tried to do that, though, me. I’ve tried to do it.I’ve tried to go off on my own, do my own thing.It lasts for maybe two weeks. It takes a while.Well, no, that’s just good self awareness.Some people aren’t going to be that way.No, it’s two weeks.And then I say I need structure.And so I go go back.I do well with the structure. There’s nothing.And see that’s too. That’s so important.I mean, people are asking us.So I think we are not like that.Where Doug may follow programs for therest of his life, probably will.He’s not like that because maybe you look atit as like, I want to outsource that thinking.I respect the guys so much, yes, I could do it myself.But why?When I have these three dudes that have put togethersomething so good, I can outsource that thought process.There’s nothing wrong with that also.But when we get asked that question, I thinkit’s funny because it’s not like that for me.Because we experiment and conjure.Yes, I love it. It’s easy.A little bit is always kindof experimenting and doing different things.Like it’s our passion.And so I don’t want to outsource that.In fact, I’m very greedy about it.I want to always be adjustingit, customizing it to my needs.And I’m not going to follow something.I’m constantly iterating things to see ifI can improve any kind of level.Next question is from Fovial Castle.Is the seed oil controversy real?Yeah, well, we kind of touched on this earlier.I’m going to read to you guys.So Lane did a tweet that I commented on.This was a few weeks ago in Agreeance or Mean.So here’s what I like about Lane.Obviously he’s a scientist, but he’salso got tons of integrity.And if he’s not dogmatic, no, he can be dogmaticabout things that are true objectively and argue his point.But he’ll change his mind. Right?So he did a post and it says, ifyou don’t want to eat seed oils, cool.But the mental gymnastics on someof you people is Olympic level.I wish the data said seed oils were bad.Then I could jump on thebandwagon and have everyone applaud me.But that’s not what the data says.And he says, F, your feelings. Right.Classic lane, right?He’s very likable for a lot of people.I love it.So now my comment underneath his post was,my issue with seed oils or any otherfood that requires industrial level processing to accessis that we could be eating something inquantities that our bodies never evolved alongside with.This could mean nothing, but sofar it usually means not ideal.That really summarizes my view around them.What’s funny about this, by the way?He didn’t he didn’t respond to it,but there was a scientist underneath it.This other guy, this is theshit that I hate right here.And Lane would not say this to me, butthis guy says it, and he goes, Yep. That means nothing.If it meant something, the data would show it. Oh, God.My response my response to him is that’sarrogant and ignorant at the same time.Have we ever run into a situation where datashowed no harm and then data showed clear harm,and then I’m sure he went crickets after that?Then you try to backtrack.It’s so annoying to me.Do we need more examples of times wethought, one thing is the data showed something,then we learned something later on, we don’t.Now, my opinion on seed oils iserr on the side of caution.If you have the option and the choices, that’s all.Because like I said, seed oils,the quantity that we consume themwas never possible without industrial processing.We never coevolved with this level of consumptionof oils that are not like other oilsthat we consume in larger quantities.And usually that means that there’sdownstream effects that aren’t great, usuallynot always unforeseen consequences.Now, by the way, someone’s going to make the caseand argument, well, that’s almost everything in our lives.That’s why you should proceed with caution. Correct.With almost everything. That’s true.We didn’t evolve with fucking big giant TVs thatwe stood 5ft from staring at for hours.You’re actually responsible for your own health.Maybe think about that.Might not be the best idea.It says, take your brain and outsource.It legal and it’s okay.And we have nothing that shows that it’sgoing to do any major brain damage. Okay?But we didn’t grow or we didn’texist with that just 50 years ago.So maybe consider doing that and then, oh, by theway, now we’ve downsized in this little handheld thing.We can give it to our two year olds to watch.Maybe think about that.It’s like, yeah, I’ll take it a step further.We didn’t evolve knowing the News of the World. WWW.ARMINIC.COM Okay.We evolved knowing the news of ourtribe, meaning we’re attracted to negative newsbecause it kept us to survive.And we needed to know because if John, wholives in the cave got eaten by a mountainlion, says, hey, oh shit, I saw some stuffdown there, like you’re going to want to listen.Now I can go on my phone and learnabout every kidnapping and every murder and every rapeand every crazy thing around the world.We didn’t have all with that kind of knowledge.What does that produce?Tremendous anxiety. It’s a fact. Stop watching the news.Watch your anxiety drop. That’s all it is. Now.Does it mean it’s bad to know things?No, not necessarily.But you should be aware that’s true for everything.Seed oils. Yeah, dude.Look at the process that is required.Doug, maybe you could pull up theprocess of creating like rapeseed oil. Okay.Great name, by the way.I think they call it canola now. Now it’s canola oil.They call it rapeseed oil.That had me concerned.I’m still calling my shirt a wife.Little less consumption.The part that’s interesting too, why Doug pulls thisup, sal is there’s so many replacements to that.So why is it such a big deal?I know you can cook Canoilat a much higher temperature.So for deep frying it’s better than which weshouldn’t be doing with most of our foods.Well, not necessarily deep fry withlard or something like that.Okay, here’s why.Because it’s cheap, it’s massivelyproduced and it’s inexpensive.Try to replace it, you’re going to pay a lot more money.That’s all.It also has a long shelf life.When you produce things with it, it’s very convenient.But look how it’s produced.It’s extracted by heating the crushed canola seeds, whichby the way, how much oil do you thinkis in a seed of a canola seed?They have to do a lot of them to dothis, which you would never consume that many anyway, right?But you have to crush them.Then you dissolve them in a hexane solvent.Then it’s refined using precipitation and acid toremove gums and free fatty acids, filtering them.And then they use deodorize.Then they have to deodorize it sothat doesn’t smell or have a flavor.So it’s like this flavorless, odorless oil.That’s a lot of shit that wecan only do now because of technology.They weren’t able to do that 100years ago, 1000 years ago, or beyond.So just proceed with caution.If I had to bet money that they’re goingto show that it’s worse for you than othereasily accessible oils, I’d bet money on that.And I’d probably win.Not a guarantee, but I’d probably win. That’s all.That’s my whole position with it.So if you had the choice,I would go with something else.But do I think that it’s as importantas like eating the right amount of calories,eating high protein, getting good sleep, sticking towhole natural foods, drinking adequate.I don’t, I don’t think there’s bigger movers out there.I mean, I think this reminds we, I don’t knowif we talked about at the time where we hadtwo friends, josh Trent and Max Lugevier, and then three,if you include Check, paul Check did a video aboutMax Lugevier driving through McDonald’s and then eating.Josh came after him and then they triedto loop us in to pile on.You know, one of the reasons why I thinkwe love Max is that we share a similartype of position around things like this, right?Like, hey, this is probably not ideal, so I’m nottelling everybody they should comprise their whole diet of goingthrough McDonald’s, drive through and eating burgers, but in apinch and with people that say you don’t have enoughmoney and you’re lacking protein, and here’s a source, thisis a possible way to do it.Yet at the same time I’m saying this is not ideal.And then you have the people that love to dothe fear mongering on the other side that’s just like,oh my God, this is like the worst thing.And it’s like there’s a balance there, I feel like.And I think there’s people that do puritans.I think there’s people that doa good job of communicating.I think Max is one of those examplesof somebody who talks about that we couldcreate all kinds of fear around seed oils.And then the average person who doesn’t do anythingelse is like, oh, it’s the seed oils.I’m going to go and overeat a bunch of other shit.Oh, this has no seed oils init, but it’s like candy, right?There’s no seed oils in candy or whatever.That’s an extreme example.But that’s what ends up happening when you place too muchvalue on one thing and you miss the big rocks.You miss the big things that are big movers,which is like start by eating high protein diet.Eat whole natural foods for the most part.Lift weights or do somestrength training here and there. Get some good sleep.That’s 90% of your health right there, maybe 95%.Then the rest.You could look at all the little movingparts and seed oils and if something haspreservatives in it and stuff like that.Or protein powder versus actualfood, that kind of stuff.So look, if you love the show, head over toMindpumpfree.com and check out all of our free fitness guides.We have a fitness guide foralmost everybody and again, they’re free.You can also find all of us on Instagram.Justin is at Mindpumpjustin.I’m at Pumpdestephano and Adam is at MindPump.Adam, thank you for listening to MindPump.If your goal is to build andshape your body, dramatically improve your healthand energy and maximize your overall performance,check out our discounted Rgbsuper bundle@mindpumpmedia.com.The RGB Super Bundle includes maps,anabolic maps, performance and maps.Aesthetic Nine months ofphased expert exercise programming.Designed by Sal, Adam and Justin to systematically transformthe way your body looks, feels and performs.With detailed workout, blueprints and over 200 videos,the RGB Super Bundle is like having Sal,Adam and Justin as your own personal trainers,but at a fraction of the price.The RGB Super Bundle has a full 30day money back guarantee and you can getit now, plus other valuable free resources@mindpumpmedia.com.If you enjoy this show, please share the love byleaving us a five star rating and review on itunesand by introducing MindPump to your friends and family.We thank you for your support, anduntil next time, this is MindPump.